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Is Star Trek Discovery set in the Prime Timeline (1966-2005)

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    #1
    After you have seen the Pilot Episode, do you think Discovery takes place in the Prime Universe that consists of the TV-Shows TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the Movies I-X.
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    #2
    I think the original intention was for it to exist in the "Prime" timeline, however for the sake of being able to tell new and original stories, I think we will see them stray more and more from established canon.

    The more I think about it, the less I care of what timeline it takes place in. I will allow this show the freedom to tell me a story and to teach me what is going in in this new world.

    I am just happy to have Star Trek back, even if its not my "dads" Star Trek from years gone by.
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    #3
    When they announced the series they said it was going to be set in the Prime Universe, however that was a while back and unless they state so again it might be better to either form their own timeline or considering the fact the look and at least the Klingons are more in line with the JJ Trek Universe to keep it in that timeline or at least one similar to it.

    Like Tain said I think at this point and for the future of the show they should keep it separate. For one thing if they deviate from what we already know to be canon in the Prime timeline people who know that Trek will complain and regardless of whether they care or not that's 50+ years of history you can't just retcon.

    And from a production and creative perspective it means they won't be shackled by it either, giving them more freedom to do whatever they want and tell whatever stories they want to tell. Whether people like it or not is another matter but at least they will be doing it in their own universe.

    However if it is set in the Prime Universe given the fact timeline wise I believe it's post TOS but pre TNG as long as what they do doesn't alter the established history that's fine too, but if they say or do something that leaves people like "Well hang on in TOS or TNG whatever that's not what happened." I'll have an issue simply because to me it would say that they either couldn't be bothered or didn't care enough about the history to do so, which is disrespectful to the entire franchise in that case.

    I guess for now it's somewhere between either nobody knows or based on way back when they said it's set in the Prime Universe that that is still the case, however if there's never another official word on which timeline it's in I guess it will be up to each person to decide if it's Prime or not...maybe?
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    #4
    I reckon it's Prime, but to be frank even if they do change things that were previously established...so what?

    Literally every iteration of Trek has changed something (either minor or major) that was laid down previously. We'd had the Klingons change their looks, the Borg origin changed numerous times, heck...even the warp speed scale has been changed.

    So it's certainly nothing new to change things that were already in established canon. And in fairness there is quite a lot of wiggle room in the period we are in with Discovery. No show has gone there before, we have no idea really what occurred in that period with regards to the Klingon war or any other areas of the Federation.
    Just because the filming style looks different and some of the tech is a bit more modern doesn't mean it's wrong or in a different timeline.

    Personally i'll just see how it plays out and enjoy it all.
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    #5
    I believe it is supposed to be set in the Prime universe, so far, there's nothing that has been shown to suggest otherwise, other than some odd looking Klingons. Although they might find a way to explain this, such as they are a genetic off-shoot, genes are funny. There are some technology problems as well, like the way they communicate using holograms.

    The biggest change is with the filming and storytelling styles, but I don't think either of those are good tellers for what universe we are in, it's about looking at landmark historical events that have already been established in lore.
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     –  Last edited by Rellimie; Wed 27 Sep, 2017 7:58 PM.
    So the first Star Trek Discovery novel called Desperate Hours explains some of the differences in the ships and uniforms and frankly it makes perfect sense. The full article is found here: https://www.inverse.com/article/3680...uniforms-canon



    ***Warning, mild spoilers from the Novel***


    These are my thoughts and my thoughts alone:

    There are other examples of uniform overlap in canon:

    - Charlie X the Enterprise crew had the traditional TOS uniform while the crew of the other federations hip had the Pilot uniforms from The Cage and Where No Man has Gone Before

    - TNG S1-2 uniforms were used during the entire run of TNG.

    - The DS9 Jumpsuit and the TNG Uniform were used simultaneously for a few years

    - In DS9 episode Rapture (S5) the First Contact Uniforms and the TNG Uniforms were used simultaneously

    Uniform charts that people have made over the years are typically wrong because they don't allow for an overlap of transition. The novel states/implies that only the crews of the newer Constitution class ships are wearing the new uniforms (The Cage).

    As far as ships and technology, some imagination needs to be used here.

    - First the design difference are easily explained away by real life. Even the current military has such a diverse array of ships by different manufacturers and designers that having ships that look different is a norm.

    - Second, the bridge sizes in Discovery are larger because the older ships have less automation and computer control, requiring more crew to operate the ship. A good example of this is Battlestar Galactica. The Galactica being older required a large C&C to perform ship operations while the Pegasus was a larger ship but had a smaller C&C room, less stations, less crew...more automated.

    - Third, bridge window. The debate can go on about the square on the front of the Cage Enterprise being a window or not. I personally like the window/viewscreen combo.

    - Weapons. Again, the military in 2017 has such a wide range of both ship weapons and personal weapons that the differences in weapons in Discovery and TOS are easily explained.

    - Force Fields, again, while never seen in TOS...it was never unseen or not stated in TOS as to them not having them.

    - Klingons, the Klingon empire is a large area of space. Assuming there are multiple planets and multiple generations of Klingons growing up on different planets why assume they would look the same on every planet. 25 houses, we only saw 6 or 7 houses on screen. I'm holding out hope that we will see a more traditional Klingon and a TOS Klingon at some point.

    These are just some of my thoughts about how Discovery is part of the TOS canon. A lot of this could be confirmed or contradicted as the series progresses.
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    #7
    While true about the uniforms, they also used the same color schemes...these uniforms could not be any different from TOS.

    In fact every canon star trek uniform has used colors to differentiate from position, granted yellow and blue switched between TOS to TNG, even TMP had the different color collars.

    Also doesn't explain how of all of TOS, and ENT, they had a patch like insignia but they use metallic in STD.



    Honestly...if this show was where it should be, in the Kelvin timeline I would have no problems with the show and would even watch it, but they're trying to rewrite Trek like they thing it should be, A.K.A. generic sci fi with lots of explosions and flavor of the month grit. They're tossing good story out the window to be cool and edgy. The commander breaking all the rules and not getting a slap on the wrist is a perfect example of being cool, her court marshal is a perfect example of being edgy with all darkness and shroud.

    I'm sorry, but I'm not one of the people who is willing to let Star Trek sell its soul just to get back on television.
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    While true about the uniforms, they also used the same color schemes...these uniforms could not be any different from TOS.

    In fact every canon star trek uniform has used colors to differentiate from position, granted yellow and blue switched between TOS to TNG, even TMP had the different color collars.

    Also doesn't explain how of all of TOS, and ENT, they had a patch like insignia but they use metallic in STD.



    Honestly...if this show was where it should be, in the Kelvin timeline I would have no problems with the show and would even watch it, but they're trying to rewrite Trek like they thing it should be, A.K.A. generic sci fi with lots of explosions and flavor of the month grit. They're tossing good story out the window to be cool and edgy. The commander breaking all the rules and not getting a slap on the wrist is a perfect example of being cool, her court marshal is a perfect example of being edgy with all darkness and shroud.

    I'm sorry, but I'm not one of the people who is willing to let Star Trek sell its soul just to get back on television.
    Discovery uses colors.

    In The Cage and Where no Man has Gone Before they had a light gold, dark Gold and Light blue for divisions.

    Discovery uses a Gold, Bronze and Silver for divisions.


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    While it's true Trek occasionally messes with it's own continuity and occasionally timeline they do mostly stick to what they know is coming before. Based on the uniforms having it in the Kelvin Timeline would make more sense, however ship wise they all look more Prime Universe Federation in design.

    As for what Sorotia said about Trek and it's soul and becoming more generic Sci-Fi I don't want to see that happen either, but to be fair to Discovery it is only the first two episodes and most of them are usually bang bang shooty shooty episodes in order to draw people in, I think everybody should at least give the show a few more episodes to see where they go with it and how they handle different episodes.

    Although I will say that for those two episodes I can understand Sorotia's concern, between Discovery and Seth McFarlane's The Orville, the first few episodes of The Orville have felt more Trek like than the first two of Discovery which is actually Trek so it will be interesting to see what the next few episodes are like.
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    While it's true Trek occasionally messes with it's own continuity and occasionally timeline they do mostly stick to what they know is coming before. Based on the uniforms having it in the Kelvin Timeline would make more sense, however ship wise they all look more Prime Universe Federation in design.

    As for what Sorotia said about Trek and it's soul and becoming more generic Sci-Fi I don't want to see that happen either, but to be fair to Discovery it is only the first two episodes and most of them are usually bang bang shooty shooty episodes in order to draw people in, I think everybody should at least give the show a few more episodes to see where they go with it and how they handle different episodes.

    Although I will say that for those two episodes I can understand Sorotia's concern, between Discovery and Seth McFarlane's The Orville, the first few episodes of The Orville have felt more Trek like than the first two of Discovery which is actually Trek so it will be interesting to see what the next few episodes are like.
    TNG was pretty bad for 2 full seasons.

    The Orville makes me cringe. The humor is so forced and out of place.
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    #11
    The uniforms make perfect sense to me.

    Enterprise had the all blue jumpsuit type affair and Discovery has evolved that into the things we see on screen with the departments and ranks becoming more easy to distinguish.
    This show is set 10 years before TOS so it's quite logical to think that the uniforms may change in that time period, just look how rapidly the TNG era uniforms changed from Encounter at Farpoint up to Nemesis.

    Should STD go for several season i'm sure we'll start to see familiar uniform styles creep in eventually.

    As for comparing it to The Orville, well that show will grow old pretty quick i suspect. It's trying too hard to parody Trek and as such it's jokes will wear thin unless it works out its own style and substance. It looks cool now because its familiar but with some joking mixed in,but that's no replacement for proper Trek storytelling. Stuff lke that generally is good for a couple of seasons and then grows old.
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    I tend to take speculation from TrekYards with a healthy grain of salt. In this case, two.
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    What we think and what the Showrunners say is canon are different things, and what's considered Canon has been well established as whatever appears on screen and what ever is confirmed by the showrunners, and in Discovery's case, they've said time and again, Discovery is Prime Timeline canon.
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    I heard a theory from somewhere, my memory is really bad so I can't remember where it was, regarding the visual differences in the prequels.

    It goes something like this, All Star Trek shows are docudramas of future events and TOS just had a lousy budget to try and convey the technology, like some of those really awful Discovery channel shows like Ancient Aliens. Subsequent docudramas TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT had more budget to illustrate what Starfleet actually looked like during those missions. Now along comes Discovery, a docudrama with a great budget, so they accurately portray the ships, species and worlds of the time period.

    Thinking of it that way allows me to ignore the similarity of the visuals to the JJverse and just go along for the ride.
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    True, from a certain point of view.

    Yet, I think the point of TrekYards (for those who don't want to sit for almost 20 minutes of back and forth), is that the Discovery comic book uses Kelvin timeline images likely had to be approved at higher levels for use.