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[Spoiler] - S1E10 "Despite Yourself"...

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    #31
     –  Last edited by deuZige; Fri 12 Jan, 2018 1:51 AM.
    Okay so let me start off that the Discovery makers have made my deepest wish come true.

    They've gone and stuck themselves right in between the TOS era mirror universe and the "In a mirror darkly" mirror universe (which ended with Empress Hoshi Sato!! Awesome!!) from the ENT era.

    Imho "in a mirror darkly" is easily one of the best episodes in all of startrek! I wouldn't mind if they spend half a season or more in there!

    Second, maybe redundantly so, i want to point out that the USS Defiant from the TOS and ENT episodes had traveled back into time about a century as well as into another universe where it was captured and made flagship by Hoshi Sato at the end of "In a mirror darkly".

    The USS Discovery enters the mirror universe around a century after the USS Defiant was taken by Empress Sato.

    The ships we see in the Discovery series could be the result of a century of evolution of reverse engineered USS Defiant technology. In that case it is very probable that the USS Discovery is hopelessly outmatched, weapon technologically, by the terran empire ships. The only thing that the USS Discovery has in its favor, or should have, in that case is probably the spore drive.

    This is ofcourse all speculation, based on the presumption that the terran empire, under hoshi sato, took the technology from the USS Defiant, reverse engineered it, and developed it from there. If Hoshi decided to keep the tech from the Defiant or maybe even the whole existence of the USS Defiant, as secret as possible so she could keep it as her insurance of power this plays out differently (and is probably the way its gonna be playing out in the Discovery series, come to think of it...).

    Anyway, the fact is that the USS Defiant, when it was taken by the Terran Empire was a century ahead of their technology at the time and that the USS Discovery is now in the Mirror Universe a Century after that happened. As far as continuity goes there are all kinds wiggle room for the makers of the Discovery series.

    And besides that,I don't really think that the USS Defian't picture we saw in the episode was such a big stretch from the original to be honest. More of nod towards the ENT series ship design esthetics.

    The thing i am more curious about is how they're going to explain the fact that the rebellion that the ISS Enterprise was fighting against is still fighting a century later and still leave room for Spock to become leader of the Terran Empire about half a century later. (which resulted ultimately in the defeat of the Terran Empire by the Klingon Cardassian Empire. I mean if you're going to worry about continuity, that's more of a stretch than the picture of the USS Defiant we saw.

    About the death of the doctor, we can almost be sure he's not dead forever. Two days ago, in an article on trektoday ( https://www.trektoday.com/content/20...-is-important/ ) Cruz is quoted to say "(...)It will be a larger-than-life love story in the vein of Romeo and Juliet(...)" using future tense. So we can almost be sure we'll see more of the doctor and the engineer in the future.

    TL;DR: This episode was my most nerdgasmic dream come true! It's awesome, i couldn;'t be happier, and i wouldn't mind if they spend half, one or more seasons with this story arc!
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    #32
    Ok, let's take a look:

    1.) The ISS Enterprise from Mirror, Mirror was accordingly to Scotty identical to the USS Enterprise things were just looking a bit different. If this is the case the ISS Enterprise and the USS Defiant should be equal ships.

    2.) Reverse engineering is only possible if you dismantle something, and it would have been a risk if Hoshi would have allowed it so as long as she is in control of the Defiant she can win every battle and will be able to do so until the rest of the Galaxy catches up.

    3.) Just look at Afghanistan or Iraq, they coalition troops are still fighting rebels there.
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    #33
    Sooooooo ... I have finally finished binge-watching the series (because a dear friend convinced me to watch it ... and allowed me access to his CBS All Access account Tongue Out).

    Although I am not a fan of the series, I am appreciating what is being given to us. Concerning this particular episode, I really enjoyed it. Besides, the overall story (being in the Mirror Universe), I really enjoyed the make-over of the crew and ship: I mean, has Tilly suddenly become "hawt"?

    But what I really *loved* was some sound effects that brought me back to the other shows: door swishing, the TOS bridge "ping" and other tones that I think was missing in most other episodes (as I recall them in my sleep-deprived state).

    And I gotta admit, Lorca being in a pain-tube was a little refreshing. Or maybe I'm still not over Jason Isaac's excellent bad guy from The OA series ... you know, the kind of antagonist you love to hate?

    Overall, I really did like this episode.
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    I do think tilly looked Hot! damn guuurrrllll!!! Blonde suits her! She made the episode!


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    #35
    A wonderful episode ! Discovery is beginning to be very interesting. I have to admit that I LOVE the Terran uniforms. Since we got confirmation that the Defiant was upgraded by the Terran Empire, maybe we'll have something between this
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    and this ?
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    Anyways, looking forward to the next episode - and to finally see the Terran Defiant !
    I hope that we will see Defiant and Discovery together and special the size of the ship will be interresting as this would be the size of TOS Connie to Discovery.

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    Hey ! I made the textures for this Discovery model Big Grin
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    Nice job
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    Love ISS Intrepid


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    #38
    A wonderful episode ! Discovery is beginning to be very interesting. I have to admit that I LOVE the Terran uniforms.
    I agree with you. I just love the personalized Captain armors as well!
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