[Mack]

One thing to remember too is that it wasn't until much later in TNG that we acutally moved onto plot arcs in Trek.

I wouldn't say much later, 3rd or 4th season onwards, yes. TNG did take time to establish itself. Heck, I don't think I even liked the Galaxy Class ship compared to Constitution class at that point of time, but by 3rd season I did begin liking it. It's arguably my favorite class today. Same goes for the new crew of the hero ship, the writing was great. I liked how they dedicated two seasons to get us to like the crew while at same time exploring this "modern era of Federation" by a tad bit simultaneously.

TOS and a vast majority of TNG were simply "alien of the week" episodes with no link to past events (unless a crew members died - Tasha). So there was no development of the outside universe to look at and say "ah so that's what the Federation is up to now" by a tad bit.

Not sure how come you're contradicting what you told about TNG previously, but this is highly inaccurate. TNG established much of the "modern" Trek to follow, not just aliens. Relations of Federation, the scientific on this era of the Federation, diplomatic status of various factions. Heck, TNG explored majority of the Klingon rituals and gave a greater look into Klingons which also followed suite in DS9.

Now that the modern era topic is brought up. That was actually a smart move. More to tell, more to focus on people accepting the crew and explaining anything else in terms of tech be seen as development.

Discovery has much to worry about by selecting a prequel era as they're on thin waters of already established lore, tech of that. They could've gotten that creative freedom if they would've chosen after DS9 era, but alas.

I partially feel that's why the S31 was brought in from that cut scene (unless they threw that out of the water now). S31 has not been as established or explored other than few episodes of DS9 and ENT. As poor as it was to have a visual representation of the badge, people would've grown accustomed towards a series explaining the formation and operations of S31 - something new. This way they'd even have ability to mix in with already existing prime events. I was sorta looking forward for such a narrative from Discovery.

[WelshAvenger]

I watched the first season of The Orville and while I'll continue to watch it mainly because it's space based Sci-Fi...it was a struggle for me to get through a few of those episodes.

Yeah a couple of them had really cringeworthy moments but I loved the overall feel of the show. I really like that fact that famous people and scifi actors of old were making cameos all throughout the series.

[Sul-Matuul]

Not sure how come you're contradicting what you told about TNG previously, but this is highly inaccurate. TNG established much of the "modern" Trek to follow, not just aliens. Relations of Federation, the scientific on this era of the Federation, diplomatic status of various factions. Heck, TNG explored majority of the Klingon rituals and gave a greater look into Klingons which also followed suite in DS9.

Now that the modern era topic is brought up. That was actually a smart move. More to tell, more to focus on people accepting the crew and explaining anything else in terms of tech be seen as development.

Discovery has much to worry about by selecting a prequel era as they're on thin waters of already established lore, tech of that. They could've gotten that creative freedom if they would've chosen after DS9 era, but alas.

I partially feel that's why the S31 was brought in from that cut scene (unless they through that out of the water now). S31 has not been as established or explored other than few episodes of DS9 and ENT. As poor as it was to have a visual representation of the badge, people would've grown accustomed towards a series explaining the formation and operations of S31 - something new. This way they'd even have ability to mix in with already existing prime events. I was sorta looking forward for such a narrative from Discovery.

I perhaps didn't phrase it quite right. What i meant is that the majority of TNG and TOS episodes could be watched as stand alone entities, whereas once you got into the DS9 era and certain parts of Voy you would find that some aspects of the shows were highly linked together in strong plot arcs. Yes they still had the alien of the week and the like but by the last 2-3 seasons of DS9 it was all the Dominion War as a background to the show.
Yes there was background long term development, as in how relations with the Romulans changed, or the whole business with Worf's dishonour etc. But these were not central to the episodes as a whole, unlike DS9 where the whole story often hinged on what would occur in an episode.

I think these days a lot of viewers (of any show) expect more of a long-term plot than simple random stories thrown together in a row. And nearly all long running sci-fi shows these days either start off going down the long plot route or move to it within a season or so. They tend to have to fit character development around the main plot, which can be problematic in some instances as some viewers don't want distractions from main stories. And the other side of the viewership prefer to see the characters develop into something more.

Discovery is going to have to balance things carefully, and it's gonna be tricky. They have less time per season to fit in development, they also are screening in a time when viewers will be less tolerant when there is such a massive choice of alternative content that they will move to if they dislike what they see.
Stuff like the Orville seems to do well these days because people want something close to the old Trek, perhaps after a while it will grow stale and run out of ideas. I personally dislike what I've seen as i don't want a show that's trying to be the same old Trek I've already seen. I prefer Discovery because it's not afraid to be different and push for a new idea of Trek (something all the series did to some degree) whilst still trying to fit within the same existing universe.

[mark_cameron]

Look, I heavily hate Discovery for what kind of show it is. To me the show lacks consistency, suspense, creative story telling, and is diverting too much from the Star Trek formula that we grew up with to an overly dramatic mess just to compete with shows like Game of Thrones or Walking Dead. Boycotting STO will absolutely do nothing to change the fact that Discovery exists. All you're going to accomplish by boycotting is make sure you've wasted your time playing Star Trek Online over the years. Criticise the show for its actual problems if you want, but don't pretend it doesn't exist.

I'm boycotting the Discovery content.

Not STO itself.

I will not be playing any of the Discrovery related Arc. Nor generating characters associated with that dead end show.

[Shadowmeph]

I will play through it just like I went through watching TNG ( Klingon's with forehead Ridges And Pikerd , Riker, Wesley crusher characters lol) I I will find something I like and try to hold on to that

[Avenger]

As many of you well know, I was a lover of Discovery from Day 1, mainly because I have the mentality that if this is the future of the franchise I love, short of it being awful I am going to embrace it wholeheartedly and ended up loving it by coming in without any preconceptions.

Yes it massively strays from the one story per episode that was present in every series that preceded it however that concept simply doesn't work in the modern world and they had to move it up a gear and change things if Star Trek was ever going to make a comeback and at least they have thrown a massive budget at it to get it off the ground which has made it visually amazing with some great quality actors rather than it being a backwater show - which I'm sure we would have hated more.

I for one am looking forward to season 2 of Discovery, and my biggest gripe is that its only 15 episodes long so they had more time to flesh the story out more - even if it was only a marginal increase to 20 episodes. I will continue to embrace and love the show and all its content and the new Picard show when it finally hits us, as I as I have always said - without supporting it, they won't make any more and STO will be all thats left of Star Trek again, which I can't stand!

By the way, if anyone is reading this, which I'm sure you are, if any of you have Adversaries - log on and give me a game! :-)

[mark_cameron]

This video indicates worries we have.

Given most of this is being done for IP reasons.


Discovery was not well received by the traditional Star Trek fan base.


It's very much akin To the Star Wars The Last Jedi where liberties are being taken with established canonicity.

For me Discovery was beyond a disappointment. Going beyond JJ Abrams level of disappointment. But which I could live with as it's in a different Kelvin timeline.

Any attempt to destroy the prime timeline by the studios will face severe opposition.

For me I boycott to stop the studios ruining Star Trek. With these poorly written shows like Discovery.