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    #76
    Doing a post for Max & was wondering where the primary OPS console is? looking at the sovvie bridge layout & Its a bit unclear. If Data was the Ops officer, wouldn't that mean his position would be on the forward consoles?
    Looks like it's the forward stations, on the captain's left. If you Google Sovereign Bridge, you'll see Data there.
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    #77
    Looks like it's the forward stations, on the captain's left. If you Google Sovereign Bridge, you'll see Data there.
    I thought so, because in TNG, data was always behind the leftmost forward console.
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    #78
    Ops should be on the front consoles of the Sovvy. It wasn't until Voyager that we saw Ops being relegated to the back. Not sure how the Defiant handled it.
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    #79
    True to namesake, Ops on the Defiant were to the side. Left side.

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    #80
    Doing a post for Max & was wondering where the primary OPS console is? looking at the sovvie bridge layout & Its a bit unclear. If Data was the Ops officer, wouldn't that mean his position would be on the forward consoles?
    We have our bridge layout here. "Operations Management" is OPS, #18.
    https://ufplanets.com/showthread.php...=1#post_347668

    Mission OPS, #3, was between the Science II and Environment stations on TNG.
    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/M...ations_station
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    #81
    OOC: I Legit do not know what those are, Al. LOL
    Let me see if I can help you out with the question of what Bloßfechten and Harnischfechten are. They are both German terms used to describe a type of fencing. Both came about from the question of how to better respond to armor during melee combat.

    In Bloßfechten, your opponent is not wearing armor. As a result of the unprotected target spots for the combatants, slicing and cutting attacks are normally used alongside stabs. Harnischfechten has the opponent wearing full armor. Because armor shields combatants, slicing and cutting attacks are ineffective so stabbing attacks, which can target the small openings in the armor for the joints, are commonly used.

    I think what Allan's character's question to you is do you prefer using the slicing attacks of Bloßfechten as your standard fighting style or the stabbing attacks of Harnischfechten.
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    #82
    Away Teams and equipment. Doran V is a non-hostile planet, meaning the people (Native American Indian colonists) are not hostile.

    Yes, Nausciaans are... but unless the Away Teams are actively looking to engage them or even look for the raiders, how exactly heavily armed would a typical away team (non-Security) be armed and equipped?

    Personal weapons? Issued weapons? What would security allow? Can one even have personally-owned weapons on the ship? How does Ship Security handle these?

    Normally, I thought and it seems in all the shows (only reference), weapons are strictly controlled and authorization to issue is given to only a handful of senior officers (or their appointees).

    This is more for reference, understanding, and clarification so we all are on the same page when we write. Kind of be odd where you have most unarmed and then others armed to the teeth while visiting an village elder. heh.
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    #83
    Away Teams and equipment. Doran V is a non-hostile planet, meaning the people (Native American Indian colonists) are not hostile.

    Yes, Nausciaans are... but unless the Away Teams are actively looking to engage them or even look for the raiders, how exactly heavily armed would a typical away team (non-Security) be armed and equipped?

    Personal weapons? Issued weapons? What would security allow? Can one even have personally-owned weapons on the ship? How does Ship Security handle these?

    Normally, I thought and it seems in all the shows (only reference), weapons are strictly controlled and authorization to issue is given to only a handful of senior officers (or their appointees).

    This is more for reference, understanding, and clarification so we all are on the same page when we write. Kind of be odd where you have most unarmed and then others armed to the teeth while visiting an village elder. heh.
    We haven't really made a decision on the personal shields and cover shields yet, so I cant really speak to those. I would think a standard Away team on Dorvan V should all be equipped with phasers, tricorders, the doctors with medkits - pretty much the standard equipment you use when faced with a potentially hostile situation.

    As for personal weapons, I'm pretty sure they're allowed. I dont know if there is a restriction for senior officers, though - we've just seen senior officers have them. Sulu had a fencing sword. Worf had his bat'leth. Kirk had some antique guns on his wall, but I dont remember if that was his cabin or his apartment in San Fransisco - it was in one of the movies. But the first two examples are legit.

    I would think Security would require all personnel to report any personal weapons they have, so they may be approved and inventoried. Most weapons would probably be approved if they wouldn't accidentally cause harm to others. Like, for example, swords and knives I would think would be fine. Rocket launchers, no. *LOL* Certain antique weapons might have to be rendered inoperable. Like, if you have an antique World War II munition, it'd have to have the explosives taken out of it.

    *LOL* I cant WAIT for my first post seeing the crew of the Ares armed more than Biiqs is, though! *LOL*
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    As for personal weapons, I'm pretty sure they're allowed. I dont know if there is a restriction for senior officers, though - we've just seen senior officers have them. Sulu had a fencing sword. Worf had his bat'leth. Kirk had some antique guns on his wall, but I dont remember if that was his cabin or his apartment in San Fransisco - it was in one of the movies. But the first two examples are legit.
    I think that Silynn was asking about away teams in which case, personal weapons aren't authorised. Sulu used his sword on board the ship and never took it on an away missions (not counting the 2009 film), I don't recall Worf taking his Bat'leth as part of a standard away team and Kirk's gun stayed on his wall.

    If you look at an average episode of Trek, they beam down with sidearms, tricorders, engineering and medical kits. If more weapons are needed they always seem to beam in a security guy or two with rifles.

    If we're going down to help the native population and we arrive with swords, klingon Bat'leths and Grandad's pump action, there's a danger that we'd appear more like an occupation force than Starfleet's finest.
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     –  Last edited by Allan Hood; Thu 06 Sep, 2018 10:07 PM.
    Let me see if I can help you out with the question of what Bloßfechten and Harnischfechten are. They are both German terms used to describe a type of fencing. Both came about from the question of how to better respond to armor during melee combat.

    In Bloßfechten, your opponent is not wearing armor. As a result of the unprotected target spots for the combatants, slicing and cutting attacks are normally used alongside stabs. Harnischfechten has the opponent wearing full armor. Because armor shields combatants, slicing and cutting attacks are ineffective so stabbing attacks, which can target the small openings in the armor for the joints, are commonly used.

    I think what Allan's character's question to you is do you prefer using the slicing attacks of Bloßfechten as your standard fighting style or the stabbing attacks of Harnischfechten.
    You beat me to it haha thanks for answering him. I've been a fencer for 18 years and just messed around with longswords. You nailed the descriptions and my character's question.

    Away Teams and equipment. Doran V is a non-hostile planet, meaning the people (Native American Indian colonists) are not hostile.

    Yes, Nausciaans are... but unless the Away Teams are actively looking to engage them or even look for the raiders, how exactly heavily armed would a typical away team (non-Security) be armed and equipped?

    Personal weapons? Issued weapons? What would security allow? Can one even have personally-owned weapons on the ship? How does Ship Security handle these?

    Normally, I thought and it seems in all the shows (only reference), weapons are strictly controlled and authorization to issue is given to only a handful of senior officers (or their appointees).

    This is more for reference, understanding, and clarification so we all are on the same page when we write. Kind of be odd where you have most unarmed and then others armed to the teeth while visiting an village elder. heh.
    Our mission is to help provide for the colonists while they're suffering from raids from Nausicaans. From what I understand of ST episodes, they should take with them standard equipment, tricorders and phasers. Tricorders for any radiation scans, or anything other problems that can come up, and phasers, in case the Nausicaans decide to have another raid.

    When it comes to personal weapons, I see it as Worf with his mek'leth and Sulu with his retractable katana, both of which were carried in addition to standard equipment. I imagine they had to get special permission to carry them. It seemed Kirk didn't know that Sulu had a retractable katana, so I'm figuring Sulu had to have special permission.

    As for having permission to carry weapons on the ship, Worf and Sulu are both known for carrying personal weapons aboard the ship, including Worf's bat'leth, training both Riker and Crusher. Paris trained with a bat'leth with Torres. Tuvok also had a bat'leth in his quarters, I think.

    My character also has a concealed weapon license to carry a "retractable cutlass, permission to carry on his person in a concealed manner, including away missions."

    I imagine weapons are strictly controlled and authorization is given to those that apply for it. We only seen those on TV, so if the cast had them, and carried them on away missions, I can see that others probably had traditional weapons from their homeworlds, too.
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    I think that Silynn was asking about away teams in which case, personal weapons aren't authorised. Sulu used his sword on board the ship and never took it on an away missions (not counting the 2009 film), I don't recall Worf taking his Bat'leth as part of a standard away team and Kirk's gun stayed on his wall.

    If you look at an average episode of Trek, they beam down with sidearms, tricorders, engineering and medical kits. If more weapons are needed they always seem to beam in a security guy or two with rifles.

    If we're going down to help the native population and we arrive with swords, klingon Bat'leths and Grandad's pump action, there's a danger that we'd appear more like an occupation force than Starfleet's finest.
    LOL! Understood! Yeah, the only example of that I know of is the 2009 movie. I think it's not so much an issue of being seen as an occupying force, but being seen as extremely strange.

    As far as regulations go, melee weapons probably wouldn't meet the standard of an Away Team mission because they really probably aren't supposed to be used on enemies. I'm guessing the protocol starts with stun, because it's the least amount of force to stop the threat while not causing permanent harm. I think Sulu's sword in Star Trek 2009 was ok only because they were facing a big threat to a planets survival and all bets were off. They probably left it out of the report, too.

    As a side note, it is interesting to ponder how many Starfleet officers might feel more comfortable carrying a knife, some sort of bayonet, or a collapsible sword after the Dominion War, though. Like a last ditch option.
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    #87
    Away Teams and equipment. Doran V is a non-hostile planet, meaning the people (Native American Indian colonists) are not hostile.

    Yes, Nausciaans are... but unless the Away Teams are actively looking to engage them or even look for the raiders, how exactly heavily armed would a typical away team (non-Security) be armed and equipped?

    Personal weapons? Issued weapons? What would security allow? Can one even have personally-owned weapons on the ship? How does Ship Security handle these?

    Normally, I thought and it seems in all the shows (only reference), weapons are strictly controlled and authorization to issue is given to only a handful of senior officers (or their appointees).

    This is more for reference, understanding, and clarification so we all are on the same page when we write. Kind of be odd where you have most unarmed and then others armed to the teeth while visiting an village elder. heh.
    In a little while here I'll post something about this in the mission pages.

    We'll have just the security officers bring personnel weapons down with them because it's their duty to provide security and protection for the people on the planet. Having everyone beaming down to a planet we were invited to visit while carrying every weapon in our possession would send the wrong message to people we are helping. At best they'll be scared to come to us for aid and at worse we'll have a riot on our hands.
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    Like a last ditch option.
    Hehehe when I was in the armed forces we used to joke that our last ditch effort was 'save the last round for yourself'. The thing we dreaded most of all was being told to fix bayonets. I will say, however, that I was in the Royal Air Force so if we were being told to fix bayonets, things were really screwed.
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    Got busy in here haha
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    Yes, WelshAvenger and Logicalleopard nailed and summarized my thoughts and questions.

    I know that in ARES Project, we want to keep the creativity open and not put or make many (if any) hard rules regarding this or that. Yet, I think we should have some sort of baseline that we do work from. That way we are all on the same page. Otherwise, some scenes will appear pretty silly when you picture them.

    i.e. An ARES Away Team beams down... you see a Vulcan science officer, a simple standard phaser tucked in its holster on their side, immediately scan the area with their tricorder. Next to them an Ensign engineer fiddling with his BIG BOOM Gun with no less than five bandoliers across his chest, a huge backpack mounted phase cannon, and a giant 8-foot melee weapon, lovely re-created to honor his favorite RWBY character.

    Yes, in the series we saw certain members of the crew with personal weapons. But they did not walk around with them while on duty or even for 'typical' away missions. Maybe going to and from the holodeck for a workout/practice. Or an extreme circumstance on a mission. But it was never very overt or in your face. As when you saw them, it was a special or highlighted circumstance.

    I'm just looking to see what our norm was. Is it based off TV/Movie, where we see they go down with a phaser sidearm (and *maybe* security escorts usually the only one with rifles)? Or are we more based off STO, where everyone has two weapons they deploy on ground missions with?

    Also, under what cases and whose authorization are "weapons" allowed to be even issued? On most missions, the Away Team wasn't even armed. They relied on their wits and hand-to-hand fighting to subdue.

    And... (sorry this may be getting a bit long)... are we a Starfleet that kills (i.e. STO-like) or are we more like the series/movies where fighting is the last resort and killing is virtually not done (Borg are an exception, as we are doing that former person a favor... per Picard.)
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