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[Discussion] - Star Trek Discovery and the Return of Picard: The Controversies Behind

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    Good lord what a one sided video!

    Firstly how can he possibly know that S1 DSC was a financial disaster seeing as CBS doesn't even release viewing figures for its on demand service? And I've not seen any mention of it being a loss for them. This statement is even more bizarre as the guy actually says shortly afterwards that Netflix's payment for the rights pretty much covered the whole cost of S1, leaving them risk free from it. Seems he's all over the place. Suspicious

    And some of the info he's spouting is pure bs. For example, those models he shows and criticizes are not 3D printed, they are made the exact same way as the existing and highly popular Star Trek ship models.
    Other info seems to be merely "rumours" that he's using as evidence yet never provides and actual info on what these rumours are.

    Why does he assume there's a rift between fans who hate DSC and those who "kinda like it"? The way he says it sound ridiculously biased as if he's decided there are only two types of fans and they lean more towards his viewpoint.
    What, so there are no fans who really enjoy it? There's no people who love it more that the old Trek? There's no fans who are neither here nor there and are just happy to have Trek back on the screens? Guess i must not exist then..

    I get the feeling he simply doesn't like DSC and is just parroting off an assortment of rumours and "facts" he's picked up from a lot of the negative side of the debate over the show. As such he is just filling the video with his own opinions badly hidden as facts and evidence.
    Couldn't watch past the half way mark as it was just so poor by that stage in my view.

    Got no issue with people disliking the show or how they feel the franchise is going but the level of bs being drawn up and spouted by some on the negative side is really getting to be a royal pain.
    I'm a long term Trek fan and i love all aspects of the movies and shows, no mater what the series is. I really enjoy DSC and i really enjoy all the older stuff too. But i'm tired of being part of the same fan base that seems intent on stirring up seeds of hatred for something constantly making brash assumptions that part of the franchise is destroying things simply because the personally dislike it.
    Star Trek always adapted to new ideas and pushed the boundaries; be it with political commentary, or ignoring real world prejudices. It was never afraid to keep changing and developing into something new. We had a new crew, ship and alien looks in TNG, we we sat on a space station in DS9, in VOY we were isolated from the usual galactic goings on, in ENT we went back to the very beginning.
    I sincerely hope that in 10yrs we'll look back on all this the way we look at the controversy when TNG launched and was disliked by many old TOS fans. And i hope that Trek continues to push forwards and doesn't give up because people cannot accept changes or new ideas and styles.
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     –  Last edited by Bridger; Fri 10 Aug, 2018 10:22 PM.
    The models she showed are in fact 3d printed and cost over 1000$



    Sorry to tell you that there has been a split in the fan base since new films and Discovery added another split to it.

    He might be a Discovery hater like you are Discovery White Knight.
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    #4
    Off topic I know but, damn, that enterprise model looks good. *Eyes up space in the man cave, realises that wife would kill me, sighs*
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    #5
    Actually the first model shown when he starts mentioning the models being 3D printed is an Eaglemoss one and they are not manufactured that way; they are moulder in plastic and metal and hand painted. I should know as I own several. So the images going with the narration are misleading the viewer, hence my mentioning it.

    I’m not denying there has been a split in the fans but the way it was put in the video makes it sound like fans who like Discovery only “kinda” like it. It’s a biased way to describe the fan base as it gives the impression without any evidence that people swing to a particular point of view. It would be bad to use such language no matter what he was describing.

    I do tbthink there’s any need to resort to calling anyone either side any particular derogatory terms. I’m merely pointing out issues with the video being poor quality and then explaining my view of the situation.
    DSC does have issues and I’ll freely admit a few bits of it irked me, I’m hardly some sort of “white knight”. I’m just tired of all the negativity around the show. I enjoyed it and so did a great many of my friends, there’s just nothing but negativity around though, with no way to properly enjoy a discussion of the show it feels, and this gets to one over time.
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     –  Last edited by lexxie1983; Sat 11 Aug, 2018 9:35 AM.
    Good lord what a one sided video!

    Firstly how can he possibly know that S1 DSC was a financial disaster seeing as CBS doesn't even release viewing figures for its on demand service? And I've not seen any mention of it being a loss for them. This statement is even more bizarre as the guy actually says shortly afterwards that Netflix's payment for the rights pretty much covered the whole cost of S1, leaving them risk free from it. Seems he's all over the place. Suspicious

    And some of the info he's spouting is pure bs. For example, those models he shows and criticizes are not 3D printed, they are made the exact same way as the existing and highly popular Star Trek ship models.
    Other info seems to be merely "rumours" that he's using as evidence yet never provides and actual info on what these rumours are.

    Why does he assume there's a rift between fans who hate DSC and those who "kinda like it"? The way he says it sound ridiculously biased as if he's decided there are only two types of fans and they lean more towards his viewpoint.
    What, so there are no fans who really enjoy it? There's no people who love it more that the old Trek? There's no fans who are neither here nor there and are just happy to have Trek back on the screens? Guess i must not exist then..

    I get the feeling he simply doesn't like DSC and is just parroting off an assortment of rumours and "facts" he's picked up from a lot of the negative side of the debate over the show. As such he is just filling the video with his own opinions badly hidden as facts and evidence.
    Couldn't watch past the half way mark as it was just so poor by that stage in my view.

    Got no issue with people disliking the show or how they feel the franchise is going but the level of bs being drawn up and spouted by some on the negative side is really getting to be a royal pain.
    I'm a long term Trek fan and i love all aspects of the movies and shows, no mater what the series is. I really enjoy DSC and i really enjoy all the older stuff too. But i'm tired of being part of the same fan base that seems intent on stirring up seeds of hatred for something constantly making brash assumptions that part of the franchise is destroying things simply because the personally dislike it.
    Star Trek always adapted to new ideas and pushed the boundaries; be it with political commentary, or ignoring real world prejudices. It was never afraid to keep changing and developing into something new. We had a new crew, ship and alien looks in TNG, we we sat on a space station in DS9, in VOY we were isolated from the usual galactic goings on, in ENT we went back to the very beginning.
    I sincerely hope that in 10yrs we'll look back on all this the way we look at the controversy when TNG launched and was disliked by many old TOS fans. And i hope that Trek continues to push forwards and doesn't give up because people cannot accept changes or new ideas and styles.
    Amen to that!!

    just to add i am just glad ST is alive and kicking again its been a 13 years since ENT!!!
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