[Stormy]

I'm going to review in bullet points:

• For the most part I really like how they're trying to fit this into canon.
• For the most part I did like this episode, even though "She who shall not be named" played a major part.
• Discovery is not going away. How do I know? Spock stayed on Discovery and we KNOW he will return to the Enterprise.
• Loved Pike in his Enterprise uniform AND the interior shots of the Enterprise. Well done!
• In NO Universe would someone convicted of treason be allowed to command, let alone resume their rank and status.... jus' saying.
• If "She who shall not be named" is made captain or first officer, I'm finished with this show and will hope for worthy spin-offs.
• I will withhold any further judgment until the season finale.

[Three of Seven]

I have nothing new to add from previous comments about heavily Burnham focused episodes.

Also, why the pointless add in of E=MC2, when they throw in random science terms, and equations at moments like that, it's a bit cringeworthy, because it's just so clumsly added. Just resort to Treknobable, and such, no need to try hard to fudge in actual science terms.

[Rellimie]

I have nothing new to add from previous comments about heavily Burnham focused episodes.

Also, why the pointless add in of E=MC2, when they throw in random science terms, and equations at moments like that, it's a bit cringeworthy, because it's just so clumsly added. Just resort to Treknobable, and such, no need to try hard to fudge in actual science terms.

I think she said “E=MC2 stuff” as a dry humor comment.

[Shadowmeph]

ok I couldnt hold out until the next ep. they seemed to have dragged this ep out the whole thing I did enjoy it obviously Spock isnt going to be sticking around and it did get a little too sappy for my taste but at least Burny wasn't overly sappy which was a good thing. I also think it is going to turn out to be more like Voyager ( lost in space but also time ) which if it does I can live with as for command it will go back to the way it was before

[LogicalLeopard]

I think she said “E=MC2 stuff” as a dry humor comment.

Exactly. Like a mechanic saying, "Well, all you have to remember is righty tighty, lefty loosey" to mock a large, complicated job.

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I'm going to review in bullet points:

• In NO Universe would someone convicted of treason be allowed to command, let alone resume their rank and status.... jus' saying.
• If "She who shall not be named" is made captain or first officer, I'm finished with this show and will hope for worthy spin-offs.
• I will withhold any further judgment until the season finale.

She was convicted of mutiny, not treason, as I recall. And the answer is that the Star Trek universe allows for such things. I direct your attention to one James T. Kirk. The T stands for "The word is no, therefore I am going anyway," which is what he said after being told he couldn't get a ship from Starfleet Command to rescue Spock, shortly before conspiring with other officers to STEAL a starship. By force. Simply to go help a buddy, who was dead. It was much less of a hunch than Burnhams attempted mutiny was. Oh, and he blew that starship up, too. But since he happened to save the earth after he came back, all was forgiven and he was "demoted" into command of a freshly built starship, which is what he wanted in the first place.

And if you're going to write off the show if Burnham becomes captain....well, you are aware that the show is about her, right?

[Shadowmeph]

Exactly. Like a mechanic saying, "Well, all you have to remember is righty tighty, lefty loosey" to mock a large, complicated job.

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She was convicted of mutiny, not treason, as I recall. And the answer is that the Star Trek universe allows for such things. I direct your attention to one James T. Kirk. The T stands for "The word is no, therefore I am going anyway," which is what he said after being told he couldn't get a ship from Starfleet Command to rescue Spock, shortly before conspiring with other officers to STEAL a starship. By force. Simply to go help a buddy, who was dead. It was much less of a hunch than Burnhams attempted mutiny was. Oh, and he blew that starship up, too. But since he happened to save the earth after he came back, all was forgiven and he was "demoted" into command of a freshly built starship, which is what he wanted in the first place.

And if you're going to write off the show if Burnham becomes captain....well, you are aware that the show is about her, right?
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[but when Kirk did this he was an Admiral wasnt he also he did say the Planet so he was stripped from admiral back down to captain but in between those times he wasn't actually charged until he rescued Spock went back in time and then brought a humpback whale into his own time line and during that whole event he wasnt ( formally)charged and or convicted with anything . Unlike Burnham who was formally charged and convicted and if I remember correctly was actually in the process of being dragged off was it to a penal colony I dont quite remember but then when they grabbed her while in transport before she was there .
but even after all of that they wont make her Captain it will go back to Saru like before I mean you could actually see it in Burnams face the split second before they changed the scene I am pretty sure that it was the exact same expression( maybe even scene clipped out and added in) as before when they gave Saru the command .

[LogicalLeopard]

[but when Kirk did this he was an Admiral wasnt he also he did say the Planet so he was stripped from admiral back down to captain but in between those times he wasn't actually charged until he rescued Spock went back in time and then brought a humpback whale into his own time line and during that whole event he wasnt ( formally)charged and or convicted with anything . Unlike Burnham who was formally charged and convicted and if I remember correctly was actually in the process of being dragged off was it to a penal colony I dont quite remember but then when they grabbed her while in transport before she was there .
but even after all of that they wont make her Captain it will go back to Saru like before I mean you could actually see it in Burnams face the split second before they changed the scene I am pretty sure that it was the exact same expression( maybe even scene clipped out and added in) as before when they gave Saru the command .

The point is, it's all ridiculous. Kirk commits Grand Theft Starship to save a dead friend, Burnham commits mutiny, and both end up back actively serving on a starship after saving Earth and helping to save the Federation, respectively. Apparently Starfleet reconsiders crimes if you do something really awesome afterward, which seems to be in line with their stressing of rehabilitation.

I do agree that Saru might become captain. But honestly, who knows what will happen if they're stranded in time.

[Stormy]

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She was convicted of mutiny, not treason, as I recall. And the answer is that the Star Trek universe allows for such things. I direct your attention to one James T. Kirk. The T stands for "The word is no, therefore I am going anyway," which is what he said after being told he couldn't get a ship from Starfleet Command to rescue Spock, shortly before conspiring with other officers to STEAL a starship. By force. Simply to go help a buddy, who was dead. It was much less of a hunch than Burnhams attempted mutiny was. Oh, and he blew that starship up, too. But since he happened to save the earth after he came back, all was forgiven and he was "demoted" into command of a freshly built starship, which is what he wanted in the first place.

And if you're going to write off the show if Burnham becomes captain....well, you are aware that the show is about her, right?

I stand corrected. Yes, treason. I will stick to my reasoning for her NOT being placed in command. I believe there is a huge difference between this AND a Starfleet captain with the distinguished career Kirk had when he made his decision and a junior officer attacking her commanding officer. It's like comparing coal to a diamond. Sure, the coal MAY end up a diamond, but at that point, it's still coal.

Everyone is PAINFULLY aware the show is about her... which makes it the most non-Trek show ever created and why it receives such scathing criticism for this series. I am willing to wager, if you are game, that IF "She who shall not be named" is made captain, the show dies the very next season due to loss of ratings.

There is NO "I" in Star Trek.... and there should never be a singularly focused series named Star Trek. It simply is not true TREK. I know I am going to get some flack for this next comment- but I feel the same way IF the new Picard series is named "Star Trek: Picard." Call it "Picard" or "Picard- The Next Adventure" or whatever they like...but not Star Trek: Picard. I would say the same about Kirk, Spock, Archer, Janeway, Sisko, or any other singularly focused show. To coin a Borg term... Star Trek is about the "collective" rather than the individual. It should stay that way.

Thank you for your input. The ability to exchange feelings and opinions without fear of personal attacks is something I have always greatly appreciated about this fleet..... and I've been here since 2011. There is room for all...

[casualsto]

Wasn't bad. I'm looking forward to the next. It had some meaning to it and we've seen some characters being animated into a purpose for the first time in this franchise. I was impressed with the moment between the two gay doctors. It looked very real, with the mention that it wasn't soap opera material. It delivered the feeling of departure really well.

Captain Pike, let's do this!

[Shadowmeph]

Wasn't bad. I'm looking forward to the next. It had some meaning to it and we've seen some characters being animated into a purpose for the first time in this franchise. I was impressed with the moment between the two gay doctors. It looked very real, with the mention that it wasn't soap opera material. It delivered the feeling of departure really well.

Captain Pike, let's do this!

w there we go this is what Star Trek Discovery reminds me of a day time TV Soap opera hehe its all over the place trying to please every single person instead of Being Star Trek ok I went alittle over board wit hpleasing every one but it is all over the place wit hscenes that really have nothing or very little to do with the story line I alway find it funny something is about to happen then all of the sudeen they go to a Feelings seen instead of getting the hell off of the ship they stop to chat for a while hehe

[Strathkin]

I think several have eluded to the fact that in ToS / Movie era was a different time. In fact in Flashback while Tuvok is in recovery, Jayneway and Kim share a lighter moment between them, how Officer's of the 23rd Century operated differently than those of the 24th. A day or so ago I was reminded of Kirk, Spock, Scotty, and yes Sulu, each improvised, flexed, or bent as some eluded to above; yet as noted it was a different time.

Though Discovery is in fact about 7-8 years prior to Kirk, yet under Pike shown Leadership more akin to Picard. Why I believe many are hoping for a Pike Enterprise spin maybe is in the works?

I think the only two things we do know, is Alex Kurtzman (respectfully) committed to having at 'least' 1 or 'more' series in development or production. The only one we've heard of is the Picard spin-off, which may in fact be the eight-episode limited series spinoff below:

https://deadline.com/2018/06/alex-ku...os-1202413294/

Still I'd rather draw attention to one constant, that has never changed, regardless of the time period in the franchise:

[Sul-Matuul]

Everyone is PAINFULLY aware the show is about her... which makes it the most non-Trek show ever created and why it receives such scathing criticism for this series. I am willing to wager, if you are game, that IF "She who shall not be named" is made captain, the show dies the very next season due to loss of ratings.

There is NO "I" in Star Trek.... and there should never be a singularly focused series named Star Trek. It simply is not true TREK. I know I am going to get some flack for this next comment- but I feel the same way IF the new Picard series is named "Star Trek: Picard." Call it "Picard" or "Picard- The Next Adventure" or whatever they like...but not Star Trek: Picard. I would say the same about Kirk, Spock, Archer, Janeway, Sisko, or any other singularly focused show. To coin a Borg term... Star Trek is about the "collective" rather than the individual. It should stay that way.

How can you say that a show which is actually fully canon Trek is the most non-Trek thing ever? Lol.

That makes literally no sense. It is being exactly what it is...a Star Trek show which is centered around one character more than a whole crew. Does that make it any less "Trek" than TOS, TNG or any other shows? No.
It is merely a different format, like how TAS was animated or how DS9 was set on a space station not a starship.

Just because something is different to what went previously does not make it any less worthy of being in the same canon.

And anyway, the upcoming Picard show is going to be very single-character heavy compared to what we have seen before as well. And the S31 show with Georgiou will probably be the same too. I think it's just Trek is being made in a different format these days and people will have to accept that the old pre-Nemeis show standard is not ever gonna come back.

[Three of Seven]

You know, if anyone wants to know the sort of storywriting I like, look up Line of Duty, it's a British police show, following an anti-corruption unit, it's not episodic, it follows a single arc in the same way they have decided to do Discovery. What it does do is follow individual characters, eventhough there is one clear leader among them, it's still about the team, which Discovery is lacking. The writers of Discovery don't seem to care too much about anyone outside of Burnham, when they do, like the previous episode, it's so much better!

Additionally, the show Line of Duty is very good with plot twists, some of them are obvious, but there are still unanswered questions from the first series, deliberately. They have written something into the story, they reference it fairly often, but never answers it. Discovery on the otherhand brings something up, but often just drops them and ignores them.

Writing is clearly an issue in Discovery, atleast in my eyes, if they could fix it up, it could be so much better! I really want to like Discovery.

[Rellimie]

I have a feeling people are going to be really upset with the new Picard series when they realize it won’t take place on a federation ship, it won’t be episodic, and it won’t be TNG part 2.

[Shadowmeph]

I really never cared for Picard I mean sure I will check out the new series because it is supposed to be star trek but I am thinking that I wont like it.