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Putting the "Temporal" in "Temporal Starships"

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    #1
     –  Last edited by Arno12; Tue 30 Jul, 2019 5:29 PM.
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/st...l-starships%22

    Looks like some major changes are incoming for some of the Ship Classes, Thoughts?


    Temporal Destroyer and Science Vessels – now completely Temporal!
    Originally found in the Temporal Lock Box, the Temporal Destroyers and Science Vessels are the game’s first starships flung through time to end up in the hands of players. Since the release of the Temporal Specialization, players have been clamoring for Temporal Operative versions of these starships. But a timeline change is imminent, and these ships will be changing with it. In this upcoming update, the commander seat on the Tier 6 versions of these ships will be updated to have the Temporal Operative Specialization, and the ships will gain access to the Molecular Reconstruction mechanic!

    These changes are fully retroactive to your existing versions of these ships – no need to acquire new versions!

    This applies to the following starships:

    • Klein Temporal Destroyer [T6]
    • Tal'aura Temporal Destroyer [T6]
    • Chargh'poH Temporal Destroyer [T6]
    • Verne Temporal Science Vessel [T6]
    • Sui'Mor Temporal Science Vessel [T6]
    • Qul'poH Temporal Science Vessel [T6]


    Flight-Deck Cruisers – now fully Flight-Deck Carriers!
    Flight-Deck Cruisers have suffered from an identity problem compared to Dreadnought Cruisers, which have often been seen as “Flight-Deck Cruisers, but better”. To help Flight-Deck Cruisers have their own unique identity and perform more in line with other ships, we are updating them across the board to be “Flight-Deck Carriers”. All Flight-Deck Carriers, as they will be named going forward, will be updated to have 2 hangar bays. This establishes two different spaces for the ship types:

    Dreadnought Cruisers, which are unchanged in this update, are the Cruiser subtype with a hangar bay – their mastery package is focused on their hull and weapons, they have the Weapons and Attract Fire cruiser commands, and only one hangar bay.

    Flight-Deck Carriers are the Engineering version of Carriers. Like other carriers, they have two hangar bays and the faster hangar bay recharge mastery ability. As Engineering based starships, they have access to the Shield Frequency Modulation and Attract Fire cruiser commands, in addition to a sturdy hull and 8 total weapons.

    This change affects the following starships, and will apply retroactively:

    • Miracle Worker Flight-Deck Cruiser [T6]
    • D7 Miracle Worker Flight-Deck Cruiser [T6]
    • Herald Quas Flight Deck Cruiser [T6]
    • Cardassian Intel Flight-Deck Cruiser [T6]
    • Orion Blackguard Flight-Deck Assault Cruiser [T6]
    • Suliban Silik Flight-Deck Assault Cruiser [T6]
    • Tellarite Pralim Flight-Deck Assault Cruiser [T6]
    • Voth Bastion Flight-Deck Cruiser
    • Corsair Flight Deck Cruiser Retrofit
    • Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser
    • Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser
    • Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruiser


    Escort Carriers – now named Strike Wing Escorts!
    For similar reasons, Escort Carriers are being updated. Tactical based starships have a similar split between Dreadnought Carriers and Escort Carriers. Unlike the above comparison, the difference in identity is already there – Escort Carriers trade the second hangar bay and higher defensive stats of the Dreadnought Carrier for an experimental weapon and some maneuverability. The only significant issue here is that they’re called “Carriers”, despite only having one hangar bay.

    To better communicate the identity of Escort Carriers as Escorts that happen to have a hangar bay, and not true carriers, they are being renamed to “Strike Wing Escorts”, and their Quick Deployment ship mastery is being changed to be Enhanced Weapon Systems.

    This change affects the following starships, and will apply retroactively:

    • Mirror Escort Carrier [T6]
    • Hur'q Ravager Escort Carrier [T6]
    • Xindi-Insectoid Olaen Heavy Escort Carrier [T6]
    • Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier [T6]
    • Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier
    • Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier [T6]
    • Heavy Escort Carrier [T6]
    • Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier
    • Heavy Escort Carrier


    Similar ships not being changed:
    There are some other ships that do not entirely fit in existing ship classifications, such as the Obelisk Carrier, the Command Battlecruisers, the Hur’q Dreadnought Carrier, or the Temporal Heavy Dreadnoughts. As these starships are parts of much smaller groups, and have names that are generally more accurate to their function than some of the ones above, these ships will remain unchanged with this update. If any future changes do happen to these starships, you should expect them to be name clarifications or minor mechanical changes.



    NOTE: The above details are subject to change



    EDIT:
    added change notes in spoilers for those on Mobile.
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    #2
    Hmmm........ Suspicious


    So what exactly IS the point of a true carrier like the Jupiter or even the Sarcophagus now? They no longer have any advantage from two hanger bays and suffer from less weapon slots than all other ships bar science vessels & raiders.

    There is barely any reason to fly anything other than the FDCs now:
    - 8 weapons
    - 2 hanger bays
    - cruiser commands
    - fairly decent movement speeds
    - tough hulls and shield mods.
    Those ships are going to be outclassing a lot of other ships simply through powercreep.

    I'm all for the temporal changes however, those make sense tbh and those changes should be added to all the temporal type ships (Paradox, Annorax etc.)
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    #3
     –  Last edited by Arno12; Tue 30 Jul, 2019 11:37 PM.
    I doubt it, there are still far better ships.

    The part about, "Timeline change is Imminent," peaks my curiosity.
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    #4
    Hmmm........ Suspicious


    So what exactly IS the point of a true carrier like the Jupiter or even the Sarcophagus now? They no longer have any advantage from two hanger bays and suffer from less weapon slots than all other ships bar science vessels & raiders.

    There is barely any reason to fly anything other than the FDCs now:
    - 8 weapons
    - 2 hanger bays
    - cruiser commands
    - fairly decent movement speeds
    - tough hulls and shield mods.
    Those ships are going to be outclassing a lot of other ships simply through powercreep.

    I'm all for the temporal changes however, those make sense tbh and those changes should be added to all the temporal type ships (Paradox, Annorax etc.)
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    #5
    I doubt it, there are still far better ships.

    The part about, "Timeline change is Imminent," peaks my curiosity.
    For now, I don't think it's anything more than a humorous call-back to the annoying Battle of Procyon queue where Daniels kept saying that for every timeline change.
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    #6
     –  Last edited by Bridger; Wed 31 Jul, 2019 7:44 AM.
    I think they will update Carriers to have more hangars in the future. They will probably give other ships some updates for example a Defiant with Pilot Maneuvers or a Prometheus with Command Abilities could be some great changes for those and future ships.

    Edit: They will probably announce what is going on at Las Vegas.
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    #7
    The callisto aren't that good, in fact aren't the peregrines higher dps than the callitso?

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    I think they will update Carriers to have more hangars in the future. They will probably give other ships some updates for example a Defiant with Pilot Maneuvers or a Prometheus with Command Abilities could be some great changes for those and future ships.

    Edit: They will probably announce what is going on at Las Vegas.
    Would be nice....I like the Jupiter and in fact I made a new character recently that uses it. I'd ask for at the very least SA, but at the same time that would make pure science ships so inferior when you have things like science destroyers and the spearhead with 4/3
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    #8
    A Connie with 2 hangers of Aeon fighters would be amazing. I wonder if prices for the former have gone up or gone down?
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    #9
    A Connie with 2 hangers of Aeon fighters would be amazing. I wonder if prices for the former have gone up or gone down?
    The Connie and the D7 already have two hangar bays so I don't quite get why they're on the list.
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    #10
    I think they're basically there as part of the name change from cruiser to carrier. Otherwise they seem to have been the first out the gate of this new approach Cryptic are taking.

    I saw some folks on reddit chatting about the Discoprise/D7 and how it was a useless ship as it can't match the DPS of the Juggernaut. That may well be true and probably is, but I found it depressing that it basically came down completely to the DPS rather than appreciating the ships for what they are.
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    #11
    The Connie and the D7 already have two hangar bays so I don't quite get why they're on the list.
    Because they are being renamed from Flight Deck Cruiser to Flight Deck Carrier to bring them in line with the others.

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    The callisto aren't that good, in fact aren't the peregrines higher dps than the callitso?

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    Would be nice....I like the Jupiter and in fact I made a new character recently that uses it. I'd ask for at the very least SA, but at the same time that would make pure science ships so inferior when you have things like science destroyers and the spearhead with 4/3
    I understand the Callisto frigates aren't great buy my point is they can be equipped. The terran frigates that come on the Styx are pretty good.
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    #12
    I just don't really consider it a bonus when the frigate pets aren't good....and if you want to talk about frigates then there are least what, 2 or 3 frigates you can use on any ship...like the cardassian ones.
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    Oh yeah, I'd forgotten the Connie was already an OP ship.

    Last I heard the Cardie frigates suck, poor AI.
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    Oh yeah, I'd forgotten the Connie was already an OP ship.

    Last I heard the Cardie frigates suck, poor AI.
    Well the problem is the elite frigates are full of dbb's...in their case the the standards are the best because they have nothing but arrays, the blues do the highest dps.
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    #15
    I would love it if they ported the Vanguard concept to all carrier pets. The Vanguard concept for the Dominion ships seems like the best way to utilize them, I think.