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    #31
    This excuse doesn't work out with this:



    They're being scummy confirmed.
    Ouch, that's even worse!

    They freely admit to bending us over the table. I think they've lost their minds this time; whoever thought selling stuff for those prices and this tactic with "sales" wasn't going to raise several million eyebrows needs their head examined.

    I honestly hope to god nobody is seriously ever going to pay those prices for any of that crap.
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    #32
    This is depressing, I'd say I wanna quit this game but I already invested too much time and effort into it. I swear ever since that new EP Showed up things have gotten way worse, I mean sure they nickle and dimed us before but ever since Emerson showed up its gotten way worse.
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    #33
    They're being scummy confirmed.
    Wow! That 180 must have given Kael whiplash. They're not even trying to hide the greed anymore.

    Something tells me that the salt will be flowing for ages. *grabs popcorn*
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    #34
    Wow! That 180 must have given Kael whiplash. They're not even trying to hide the greed anymore.

    Something tells me that the salt will be flowing for ages. *grabs popcorn*
    I kinda hope the players don't just forget about all this after a week when Cryptic dumps some distraction on them. They are getting more and more scummy all the time, people need to keep pressure on them and stop just letting them get away with this crap.
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    #35
    I kinda hope the players don't just forget about all this after a week when Cryptic dumps some distraction on them. They are getting more and more scummy all the time, people need to keep pressure on them and stop just letting them get away with this crap.
    It would have to be one heck of a distraction, I mean you already have players on Reddit, Twitter and Forums threatening to or already have reported cryptic to the FTC and other international offices in charge of investigating this kinda thing. If were lucky maybe this will end up in a media outlet that isn't Massively Overpowered.
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    #36
    Unfortunately I read this too late, or I probably wouldn't have dropped some € in preparation for the Black Friday sale. Or at least thought about it before or spent less than I did...
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    #37
    What they have done -- and admitted to -- is deceptive advertising. It is illegal in the US, and it is fraud. It is subject to action by the US FTC.

    Title 16 → Chapter I → Subchapter B → Part 233
    §233.1 Former price comparisons.

    (a) One of the most commonly used forms of bargain advertising is to offer a reduction from the advertiser's own former price for an article. If the former price is the actual, bona fide price at which the article was offered to the public on a regular basis for a reasonably substantial period of time, it provides a legitimate basis for the advertising of a price comparison. Where the former price is genuine, the bargain being advertised is a true one. If, on the other hand, the former price being advertised is not bona fide but fictitious—for example, where an artificial, inflated price was established for the purpose of enabling the subsequent offer of a large reduction—the “bargain” being advertised is a false one; the purchaser is not receiving the unusual value he expects. In such a case, the “reduced” price is, in reality, probably just the seller's regular price. (emphasis added)

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    (b) A former price is not necessarily fictitious merely because no sales at the advertised price were made. The advertiser should be especially careful, however, in such a case, that the price is one at which the product was openly and actively offered for sale, for a reasonably substantial period of time, in the recent, regular course of his business, honestly and in good faith—and, of course, not for the purpose of establishing a fictitious higher price on which a deceptive comparison might be based. And the advertiser should scrupulously avoid any implication that a former price is a selling, not an asking price (for example, by use of such language as, “Formerly sold at $___”), unless substantial sales at that price were actually made.

    (c) The following is an example of a price comparison based on a fictitious former price. John Doe is a retailer of Brand X fountain pens, which cost him $5 each. His usual markup is 50 percent over cost; that is, his regular retail price is $7.50. In order subsequently to offer an unusual “bargain”, Doe begins offering Brand X at $10 per pen. He realizes that he will be able to sell no, or very few, pens at this inflated price. But he doesn't care, for he maintains that price for only a few days. Then he “cuts” the price to its usual level—$7.50—and advertises: “Terrific Bargain: X Pens, Were $10, Now Only $7.50!” This is obviously a false claim. The advertised “bargain” is not genuine.

    (d) Other illustrations of fictitious price comparisons could be given. An advertiser might use a price at which he never offered the article at all; he might feature a price which was not used in the regular course of business, or which was not used in the recent past but at some remote period in the past, without making disclosure of that fact; he might use a price that was not openly offered to the public, or that was not maintained for a reasonable length of time, but was immediately reduced.

    (e) If the former price is set forth in the advertisement, whether accompanied or not by descriptive terminology such as “Regularly,” “Usually,” “Formerly,” etc., the advertiser should make certain that the former price is not a fictitious one. If the former price, or the amount or percentage of reduction, is not stated in the advertisement, as when the ad merely states, “Sale,” the advertiser must take care that the amount of reduction is not so insignificant as to be meaningless. It should be sufficiently large that the consumer, if he knew what it was, would believe that a genuine bargain or saving was being offered. An advertiser who claims that an item has been “Reduced to $9.99,” when the former price was $10, is misleading the consumer, who will understand the claim to mean that a much greater, and not merely nominal, reduction was being offered.
    So, yeah. They REALLY shouldn't be doing this.
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    #38
    I've just been on and looked at the market myself and, leaving the issue of the Vizier to one side for a minute, everything seems to be overpriced.

    Is it just me or is EVERYTHING on the zen store overpriced? I'm a lifetime sub so I get my 500 zen a month but I never seem to have enough to buy anything of consequence as I'm always buying lockbox keys to try and get anything decent from there!
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    #39
    I've just been on and looked at the market myself and, leaving the issue of the Vizier to one side for a minute, everything seems to be overpriced.

    Is it just me or is EVERYTHING on the zen store overpriced? I'm a lifetime sub so I get my 500 zen a month but I never seem to have enough to buy anything of consequence as I'm always buying lockbox keys to try and get anything decent from there!
    Yes everything is overpriced.

    When you consider for the price of a single ship you can buy a brand new AAA game (or close to release at least), it is clearly a massive rip off.
    The game publishers know that this is the only Trek game of worth with a sizable following and they know as a result hey can bleed the fans dry. The quality of this game is not so high as for it to have survived this long were it not for the Star Trek label attached; and those prices would never fly on a generic space combat game.

    Sure there are whales who would buy any old shite from the game without question and pour thousands into the game, but most players are not like that. Most will balk at the idea of the prices in the game; i'm sure it drives newer players away.
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     –  Last edited by Taku; Sat 23 Nov, 2019 9:31 PM.
    Consider that - right now, with the Zen bonus - the Vizier is a $30 ship. By itself, it's a $30 ship.
    A 1,200 Zen bundle is $100 right now (normally $120).
    One lockbox keyring of 10 keys (when not on sale and without the current Zen buying bonus) is a minimum purchase of $20.

    Buying things from the C-Store is INSANE, but still we do it.

    There's a gentleman named Kei Kobayashi who once said, "No thinking, just buying." He's right. If we thought about it, we wouldn't buy anything.

    I just checked my purchase history. I made my very first ever purchase of Zen on 14 OCT 2018. It was a bonus buy. I spent $50 and got 5,300 Zen. I have spent $529.99 on this game in a little over a year, including $199.99 for a Lifetime Subscription. It didn't slow down my buying. I have made MORE purchases since I went Lifer.
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    Like was said earlier in this thread, it's targeted sales. They know that the majority of STO players that hang around long enough to use the Store/Market are dedicated Trek Fans (I don't like the term Trekkies, sounds like something my daughter would call breakfast) and will spend their hard earned cash, regardless of price.
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    #42
    The console players get it worse, You get a lifetime sub on there, and you don't even get that stipend (I was stupid enough to buy the lifetime sub -_-)

    They/we also don't get the free t6 coupons either, their "first" attempt at it, was a ship from the Epic Phoenix event, which are all meh ships imho (I would have loved to have gotten a nice T6 off the store)

    There's no reason for them doing it besides, greed and there are fewer console players, so why give them the benefits.
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    #43
    Whoever's idea this was, was very, very, very dumb.

    Can't believe my gacha game treats me better than STO does. Sad That's upsetting.
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     –  Last edited by Arno12; Sun 24 Nov, 2019 2:42 AM.
    Whoever's idea this was, was very, very, very dumb.

    Can't believe my gacha game treats me better than STO does. Sad That's upsetting.
    Probably Emerson, the EP of the game, ever since he was hired the game became even more of a nickel and dime mess.
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    #45
    Those prices are total nonsense. It sounds like they're trying to get around the law by marking them as introductory rather than sale prices.

    £100-ish for a C-Store ship is insane, especially since the original price was about £20-30. You're pushing yourself towards promo ship territory at those prices.
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