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    #256
    I wonder what the chances of zen bonus charge sale happening with the bundle release? probably ZERO to NONE! LOL
    Honestly I'm kinda expecting one, Cryptic have usually had a zen bonus event in the week up to valentines day. So anything is possible.
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    #257
    Gambling addiction is definitely a real issue and too many games loot box mechanics to try and entice people in; many even targeting children.
    It’s very easy to say that all you need is self control but if you’ve ever had to deal with mental health issues (which gambling addiction really is) then you will know how infuriating and insulting such hand waving treatment of these issues is.
    The lockbox situation might make items cheaper for some people as you can save up the credits for them from the exchange in this game but for many others they get sucked in by the gambling side. There are definitely players who have serious issues with the amount they spend on the game and it is because of that random gambling aspect; items are being made artificially rare, prices are pushed up, there’s no guarantee of the item you want etc.

    Getting rid of loot boxes might make things more expensive but at least you can see what you are getting without the uncertainty. You can save up, plan and budget for spending a set amount on your favourite game.
    And to be perfectly honest if games think replacing loot boxes with Uber-expensive bundles is going to solve the issue they are out of touch with their customers and will find out the hard way. The overwhelming majority of players will be happy to buy a £30 ship every few months; not many will be willing to throw £300 at a game in one go.
    If they think this type of bundle will keep their game afloat they are being naive to the point their game deserves to fail.

    These new ships should be available individually. That allows the biggest number of players to access them for a reasonable price without being exploited by gambling mechanics.

    I’m glad if some players feel happy enough with their finances to be able to afford this bundle but at the same time every person who does buy it is just another confirmation to cryptic that this is an acceptable pricing structure. They won’t after all have figures for the number of players who are NOT buying this bundle due to its price bring prohibitive.
    And for the game overall I feel this is a bad direction to be going in.
    It's funny,,,you're one of the people complaining the most about the prices of these packs.

    You can't have it both ways...the game needs to be funded some how and either way they're going to involve whales spending lots of money which can easily be called predatory.

    Either lock boxes stay or more stuff like this is going to pop up, if the game doesn't make bank you can sure as heck bet that CBS will pull the plug.

    I deal with plenty of issues including people telling me it's a shame I don't commit suicide because of what I am, I still don't let any of my issues drag me down to oblivion. I just think there is way to much of people pointing the finger at someone else these days, maybe I am a little harsh but it's true. Video games are a prime example, they existed before I was born but now people are trying to blame mass shootings and racism on video games.
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    #258
    It's funny,,,you're one of the people complaining the most about the prices of these packs.

    You can't have it both ways...the game needs to be funded some how and either way they're going to involve whales spending lots of money which can easily be called predatory.

    Either lock boxes stay or more stuff like this is going to pop up, if the game doesn't make bank you can sure as heck bet that CBS will pull the plug.

    I deal with plenty of issues including people telling me it's a shame I don't commit suicide because of what I am, I still don't let any of my issues drag me down to oblivion. I just think there is way to much of people pointing the finger at someone else these days, maybe I am a little harsh but it's true. Video games are a prime example, they existed before I was born but now people are trying to blame mass shootings and racism on video games.
    I dislike the price of this bundle because I firmly believe more people would happily buy single ships a few times a year than will buy a massive item like a $300 bundle.

    Lockboxes and loot mechanics like them are thew bane of gaming these days that has turned something that used to have games designed for entertainment be turned into a cash cow to bleed the players dry for profits.

    I firmly believe there is a middle ground and that is the existing C-store pricing. It gives players a sensible figure in terms of cash to pay for a premium item, it's not got anything wildly overpowered, and it's not restrictive with false rarity imposed by RNG mechanics.
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    #259
    Honestly I'm kinda expecting one, Cryptic have usually had a zen bonus event in the week up to valentines day. So anything is possible.
    I thought so.. I think what I will do is, wait about an hour after the pack releases, just to see. If there is a zen charge bonus, it should post to the STO webpage around 1300 EST. Or shortly after STO comes back online, after the patch.
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    #260
    I've complained about the price. I think its ridiculous to expect your players to pay that much. It's not like you're buying lifetime subscription, which is that price when its not on sale. Selling the ships individual would of been a better route and perhaps they will at future date who knows. As regards to gambling I see that point of view and its easy for me to see lootbox or R&D and instantly wont even touch them with a ten foot pole. Never been a fan of those kind of devices game companies release. Thankfully with lifetime I can try it every so often see what happens.
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    The way you have to think about it is you're getting some endgame ships that unlock account wide, Which you would of had to pay 1.1B EC for some of them on multiple toons, after thinking about it it's not that bad of a price for what you get
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    The way you have to think about it is you're getting some endgame ships that unlock account wide, Which you would of had to pay 1.1B EC for some of them on multiple toons, after thinking about it it's not that bad of a price for what you get
    The only reason the ships on this bundles lockbox variants are "expensive" or "rare" is because of artificial rarity imposed bt gambling mechanics designed to make the most money possible. Those ships are not worth 1 billion ec.
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     –  Last edited by Th3TrueLuke; Wed 05 Feb, 2020 5:41 PM.
    The only reason the ships on this bundles lockbox variants are "expensive" or "rare" is because of artificial rarity imposed bt gambling mechanics designed to make the most money possible. Those ships are not worth 1 billion ec.
    The disco connie that will be in the pack, is 1b ec alone, Nx looking at around 200M , Kelvin connie around 500m, so them 3 ships already make up the pack alone from the amount of keys it would cost to get them

    But also think about the Zen ships you're getting with all previous consoles, traits so you don't have to buy all the old ships to get a decent trait
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    I was kind of hoping for the next reveal today...
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    I suspect the next reveal wont be until Friday (same as last week) and the final reveal will be wheeled out on Monday.
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    The disco connie that will be in the pack, is 1b ec alone, Nx looking at around 200M , Kelvin connie around 500m, so them 3 ships already make up the pack alone from the amount of keys it would cost to get them

    But also think about the Zen ships you're getting with all previous consoles, traits so you don't have to buy all the old ships to get a decent trait
    I own every Sovereign (even the Attack Wing exclusive), Every Defiant, Every Intrepid, Every Galaxy. I also own about 90% of the T1-5 ships on the Fed side as well. So the incentive to buy the big pack for the other consoles is pretty low since I already own them. Even if the pack was 15,000 zen, there would be little incentive to buy it as I own 80% of the packs content anyways (consoles, ship skins).

    My point on the prices for the Lockbox ships still stands. The prices those ships fetch is still Artificially created because of PWE's greed through use of Gambling Mechanics. To paraphrase the Great Jim Sterling of the Jimquistion, "They aren't satisfied with making money, no, they won't stop until they have made ALL the money"
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    #267
    Agreed.

    The lockbox ships are no different mechanically to any other T6 vessel; they perform no better in most player's hands. So in terms of performance, what they cost to create (i'd argue even less than the normal ships actually as they rarely have any tailoring options!) etc. they really are not worth more than the usual 3000Z.

    People assume because they are box ships they are worth more but that is artificial value created by making them rarer than they need to be due to the lootbox system. If the T6 Donnie was in the c-store all along it'd be worth the exact same as the other ships there of similar rank.

    This new bundle is moving several ship to the c-store effectively, they will loose their rarity as there is no random chance to getting them. Hence they no longer should be considered box ship or worth the billions the older version were.
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    I own every Sovereign (even the Attack Wing exclusive), Every Defiant, Every Intrepid, Every Galaxy. I also own about 90% of the T1-5 ships on the Fed side as well. So the incentive to buy the big pack for the other consoles is pretty low since I already own them. Even if the pack was 15,000 zen, there would be little incentive to buy it as I own 80% of the packs content anyways (consoles, ship skins).

    My point on the prices for the Lockbox ships still stands. The prices those ships fetch is still Artificially created because of PWE's greed through use of Gambling Mechanics. To paraphrase the Great Jim Sterling of the Jimquistion, "They aren't satisfied with making money, no, they won't stop until they have made ALL the money"
    To buy all the Zen ships with the consoles in this pack would cost 33,000 zen for all them ships and yes maybe you have them all, but some people don't this pack would get them all the ship consoles, ship costumes and would be able to fly the T6 ships on a new toon so the ship could be used throughout the leveling, The lockbox ships in this pack say if was sold for 3,00 zen would add an extra 12,000 zen so if you think about it that way the pack is more than worth it, I agree the most expensive pack isnt worth it but for 20,000 zen on sale is a reasonable price, id even go as far as that the 30,000 pack isnt a bad price if you dont own any of the ships
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    To buy all the Zen ships with the consoles in this pack would cost 33,000 zen for all them ships and yes maybe you have them all, but some people don't this pack would get them all the ship consoles, ship costumes and would be able to fly the T6 ships on a new toon so the ship could be used throughout the leveling, The lockbox ships in this pack say if was sold for 3,00 zen would add an extra 12,000 zen so if you think about it that way the pack is more than worth it, I agree the most expensive pack isnt worth it but for 20,000 zen on sale is a reasonable price, id even go as far as that the 30,000 pack isnt a bad price if you dont own any of the ships
    See while I agree with you the thing is though they then should be considering a discount like they do on the newer bundles like gamma one that they did so on if you owned the starter pack already.

    The price is good overall if you don't have any them but then some people have some others have all so fully understand and feel it myself on the frustration with this.
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    To buy all the Zen ships with the consoles in this pack would cost 33,000 zen for all them ships and yes maybe you have them all, but some people don't this pack would get them all the ship consoles, ship costumes and would be able to fly the T6 ships on a new toon so the ship could be used throughout the leveling, The lockbox ships in this pack say if was sold for 3,00 zen would add an extra 12,000 zen so if you think about it that way the pack is more than worth it, I agree the most expensive pack isnt worth it but for 20,000 zen on sale is a reasonable price, id even go as far as that the 30,000 pack isnt a bad price if you dont own any of the ships
    I think the price issue is more that it's a massive amount in one go.

    I've probably spent that much over my time playing STO, many people will have spent more. But I suspect many will have done it like me, over a long period.
    Asking players to dump the equivalent of a whole month's rent or car payment, or the value of a holiday at one go for some pixels is pretty steep. And it is even worse when you don't give players an option to buy the ships individually AND you are being vague about "limited availability" to boot.

    Yes some people can afford the bundle. Yes the price is OK if you add it all up. But they are also alienating a massive proportion of the players with their tactics here too.
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