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    Episode Discussion

    "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"

    US Airdate: 19/03/2020 (CBS All Access)
    International: 20/03/2020 (Amazon Prime)


    This thread is for the pre and post discussion of the 9th episode "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1" - this will be a spoiler filled discussion so if you've found your way past the warnings in the activity stream and the spoiler tag on the thread, this is your last chance to turn back, or at least it will be at the end of this first post. You have been warned!

    Translated, the phrase means "Even in Arcadia, there am I". The usual interpretation is that "I" refers to Death, and "Arcadia" means an Utopian land.

    Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1 is episode 9 of 10 and forms the first half of the 2 episode season finale. Just 1 more week to go!
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    #2
    eI take it that Ego = I also in believe systems like Taosim ( which in Starwars it is call the force) you want t oeither kill the Ego ( or I ) or contain it the Ego can be good if controlled not so good if you live it haven't watched the Ep you might tonight buty I read this post and had the urge to reply hehe
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    #3
    At points this episode had me misty eyed. I also enjoyed the Plot Twist regarding Data's Lineage. Also seeing a bit of the Duality shown between Data & Lore with Soji & Sutra. The finale is going to be a wild ride.

    Of course any screen time with Brent Spiner is always welcome.
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    #4
    A good one, let us see who is comming for help. My guss the federation will come to help.
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     –  Last edited by Dylan Erikson; Fri 20 Mar, 2020 1:07 AM.
    Seven and Elnor with the cube... because the Federation Task Force was ordered by Admiral Clancy to meet Picard at Deep Space 12.....ā€¦ Attachment 12724Attachment 12725
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    #6
    At points this episode had me misty eyed. I also enjoyed the Plot Twist regarding Data's Lineage. Also seeing a bit of the Duality shown between Data & Lore with Soji & Sutra. The finale is going to be a wild ride.

    Of course any screen time with Brent Spiner is always welcome.
    Yes! Look forward to the next one, hope it doesn't end up like Mass Effect lol
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    Yes! Look forward to the next one, hope it doesn't end up like Mass Effect lol
    I thought the same thing last week about mass effect as I saw that's the way it was going haha.
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    #8
    Cool episode I suppose.

    I still don't understand what this whole destroyer thing is about, so I hope the finale does a better job at explaining this.
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    #9
    well in a SENSE I was right slow then the last two eps things pick up then probably leave with a cliff hanger I did this ep more then the rest
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     –  Last edited by Bridger; Fri 20 Mar, 2020 4:51 PM.
    So Kurtzman Trek is paying once more homage to other franchises, in this episode Mass Effect and Battlestar Galactica.

    Cool episode I suppose.

    I still don't understand what this whole destroyer thing is about, so I hope the finale does a better job at explaining this.
    Sutra the golden Soji is calling in the Cylons from outside our Galaxy to destroy all biological life.
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    I dunno why but I have a feeling Oh is gonna get offed next episode with two possible ways:

    A.) Her role in the destruction of the rescue Flotilla is revealed and some of her crew and ships in the fleet turn on her since they probably lost loved ones because of it.

    B.) Majority of the Fleet is Wiped out, Oh and the Zhat Vash are blamed with Oh Being dragged before the current Romulan Leader who is *gasp* Sela!!! Who then proceeds to disintegrate her with a Varon-T Disruptor.

    Either Way, she's probably getting offed.
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    #12
    Things are hotting up fast!

    1) SPOT THE CAT!!! (well Spot II)
    That is all.

    2) I guess Borg Cubes aren't usually involved in planetary landings, honestly i'm surprised it didn't cause an extinction level event as that would be A LOT of mass impacting from orbit.
    Wonder why the synths didn't just let the ships land normally, something iffy about the planet's atmosphere maybe?

    3) Giant space-capable flowers. I'm sure that sounds familiar from some other story but can't think of where.

    4) So people were right to guess the Admonition wasn't meant for a biological mind. But is it still possible even the Synths don't get it fully either?

    5) Good to see Seven and Elnor alive again and working together. I would imagine a spin off with those two could be quite fun.

    6) Rios has a lot of junk on his ship for sure. Even his football made a reappearance.

    7) What the heck is up with Narek being let free by "Evil Synth No. 1" if she is intending to let all life be destroyed anyway?
    OR.....
    Seeing as she is capable of mind melding did she command him to to something for her? I guess the idea we are meant to have is that he stabbed the one girl in the eye and escaped....but I think that is unlikely; I reckon she was killed by Soji's "mother", the "evil synth".

    8 ) The message itself is pretty interesting.
    Some ultimate power of synthetic life is watching the galaxy waiting for synthetic life to be developed and then swooping to to annihilate biological life if the synthetic life is in danger.
    That seems a bit too convenient and is pretty odd seeing as the message was hardly easy to find in the first place? Why hide a message so well hardly anyone in the galaxy can find it; in fact the only people who DID find it are your supposed enemy? That's shoddy design if ever I saw it!
    And tbh if the synths are so concerned about biological life wanting to kill them then why create a message which pretty much shows biological life getting wiped out....that's not really going to instill confidence in not killing synths!!! Seems a sure fire way to get synths killed before they could even send a plea for help.

    9) So the Synths clearly have different generations, and Soji/Dahj were clearly the latest version. They don't have the golden skin or the yellow eyes.

    10) "Evil No1 Synth" flipped into genocidal manic pretty easily.....too easily. Data would never have stooped so low so easily whilst under control of his own mind/body/senses. She was way too keen to just gear up for some murdering......

    11) Soong himself is more like Arik Soong from ENT than Noonian Soong who developed Data. He's properly mad-scientist material. I'd not trust him with a self-sealing stem-bolt, let alone a lab full of high tech gollems to jump his mind into.

    Next week is going to be a right interesting finale.
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     –  Last edited by DeWolfe; Sat 21 Mar, 2020 3:53 AM.
    Things are hotting up fast!

    1) SPOT THE CAT!!! (well Spot II)
    That is all.

    2) I guess Borg Cubes aren't usually involved in planetary landings, honestly i'm surprised it didn't cause an extinction level event as that would be A LOT of mass impacting from orbit.
    Wonder why the synths didn't just let the ships land normally, something iffy about the planet's atmosphere maybe?

    3) Giant space-capable flowers. I'm sure that sounds familiar from some other story but can't think of where.

    4) So people were right to guess the Admonition wasn't meant for a biological mind. But is it still possible even the Synths don't get it fully either?

    5) Good to see Seven and Elnor alive again and working together. I would imagine a spin off with those two could be quite fun.

    6) Rios has a lot of junk on his ship for sure. Even his football made a reappearance.

    7) What the heck is up with Narek being let free by "Evil Synth No. 1" if she is intending to let all life be destroyed anyway?
    OR.....
    Seeing as she is capable of mind melding did she command him to to something for her? I guess the idea we are meant to have is that he stabbed the one girl in the eye and escaped....but I think that is unlikely; I reckon she was killed by Soji's "mother", the "evil synth".

    8 ) The message itself is pretty interesting.
    Some ultimate power of synthetic life is watching the galaxy waiting for synthetic life to be developed and then swooping to to annihilate biological life if the synthetic life is in danger.
    That seems a bit too convenient and is pretty odd seeing as the message was hardly easy to find in the first place? Why hide a message so well hardly anyone in the galaxy can find it; in fact the only people who DID find it are your supposed enemy? That's shoddy design if ever I saw it!
    And tbh if the synths are so concerned about biological life wanting to kill them then why create a message which pretty much shows biological life getting wiped out....that's not really going to instill confidence in not killing synths!!! Seems a sure fire way to get synths killed before they could even send a plea for help.

    9) So the Synths clearly have different generations, and Soji/Dahj were clearly the latest version. They don't have the golden skin or the yellow eyes.

    10) "Evil No1 Synth" flipped into genocidal manic pretty easily.....too easily. Data would never have stooped so low so easily whilst under control of his own mind/body/senses. She was way too keen to just gear up for some murdering......

    11) Soong himself is more like Arik Soong from ENT than Noonian Soong who developed Data. He's properly mad-scientist material. I'd not trust him with a self-sealing stem-bolt, let alone a lab full of high tech gollems to jump his mind into.

    Next week is going to be a right interesting finale.
    Watched this one because someone swore it would change my mind about the show. Still a nope.


    1. A Spot, Spot was played by several cats of varying breeds and genders. So that's not all really.

    2. I agree, that much mass at that speed should have destroyed the atmosphere some way or another.

    3. They are on another show. Farscape, Lost in Space, Lexx. Nothing original except maybe them dying to fulfil their purpose.

    4. Synths understood it perfectly. Romulans were right, its the classic tale of Protagonists end up causing what they feared most by battling against the antagonist.

    5. *shrug*

    6. Yup

    7. She let him go to make it look like Biologics are dangeorus and can hurt them when they thought they were safe. She wanted to rally cry the others and Soong's son. *head shake* I swear there was an episode of TNG where it was said had no family. Hell his only partner that we know of was a Android herself. Just, lazy writing again to throw Spiner at us for member berries feels. Anyway, she let him out as an excuse to call her machine gods to come and save her and her people.

    8. I agree. This is a pure script steal from Battlestar Galactica and Mass Effect.

    9. Seems like it. Though I struggle with why the yellow eyed one is so far removed from Data in spirit but Soji isn't and looks less like him but maybe that's cause Soong's son isn't as good or wasn't as interested in creating empathetic beings. Remember one of the things about Data was that he was programmed with the lives of all the colonists that died from the Crystalline entity on his planet. I always felt that accumulation of those experiences had something to do with his ability to show simulated compassion. Until Lore started controlling him that is.

    10. Totally agree. She's a lot less data then they want us to believe and that's such a shame because if they had just written more of a curve it would have possibly been great.

    11. Once again I'm agreeing with you. I'm glad we can find this common ground. Noonien was focused on making a son. A human like son without the randomisations of DNA being involved. Data was that son. I doubt he would have had any biological children especially with all the time he spent hermiting away to make Lore, Data and B4. This long lost son isn't Soong's son by choice and certainly does nothing to explain how he knows about any of his fathers work. Guess we just assume Soong's DNA comes with Instructions to the mans life's work.

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    #15
    Chabon did another instagram QA and apparently he said the Romulan Free State was the largest of the "3" Romulan Factions, kinda makes me wonder who the other 2 are.