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[Spoiler] - Picard S1-E10 - Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

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    #16
    I did mean the best season end from the new trek, but to be fair that is fairly limited to Discovery Season 1 and Season 2 and Picard Season 1 Wink
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    #17
    Honestly I feel like the ending to this series was pretty naff.

    Them putting Picard into the Golem was obvious from the second we saw it, both because we knew there was going to be a season two, but lets be honest, why would they kill off a character who could bring in so much money.

    The lack of any recognisable ships in the Federation fleet, (I know you guys are mentioning that STO ship, but I didn't recognise it tbh). Where were the Galaxy's, Soverigns, Intrepids. Let's be honest, all of them should still be in service (Look at the Excelsior, Miranda and even a Constitution was at the battle of Wolf 359. Starfleet has this habit of rarely getting rid of ships, and if I was sending a task force, I'd definitely include some of those (not the last three of course).

    I kinda expected Riker to appear on the bridge of the Enterprise to be totally honest when I saw that he was in the episode and the fleet dropped out of warp, I was a little surprised it wasn't. I guess that would have been too much fan service?

    Overall, this whole season has almost been one of no consequence, sure Hugh died, but all he ever was, was a side character. The evil Romulan brigade, well they've gone off to do whatever with almost no issues. The "big synth enemy" turned out to be a small hole in space which was closed mere seconds after it opened.

    Honestly, Discovery Season 2 was infinitely better than this season of Picard has been. While it had a few more episodes to work with, it's overall story with the red angel, which led to the conclusion at the end with Control was more interesting than what we got for the past 10 weeks.

    Sorry for the rant >.<
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    #18
    There's an argument you could make for only 1 class of ship being sent to the battle. The Dominion War did show a weakness in the fleet composition, it had too many vessels being thrown into a situation they were ill-equipped to deal with. The Miranda class got knocked down quickly and easily and the Excelsior finally reached the stage of being shown as a class that had had its day. They needed the harder hitters for that war and they didn't have enough of them. The Galaxy class was the closest thing they had to a battleship up to that point.

    The Defiant shows that thoughts did turn towards vessels that could hit hard and the Akira, Steamrunner and Saber classes seem to run along similar lines about getting newer designs as replacements out into service. The Sovereign has a far more obvious leaning towards tactical than the Galaxy did despite filling a similar role and of course the Prometheus then appeared. But there wasn't enough of them for them to be major players in the war.

    Now jump forward to Picard. It was mentioned in an earlier episode that the loss of Mars caused some major problems (as you'd expect) and Starfleet was short on ships because of it. But then suddenly 200 vessels of the most advanced design ever fielded appear. To me that shows the Federation was focusing its efforts on quietly rebuilding, strengthening and modernising the fleet, most likely only using a few designs to help speed up and ease construction so the older ships could get phased out of service or re-purposed to other means. The new class lead by Riker appeared to exist for the simple task of curb-stomping anyone who so much as looked at the Federation in a funny way.

    It's entirely possible any potential weakness or disinterest Starfleet itself showed in the years since Mars evolved into nothing more than a ruse to buy some time and the appearance of the new armada was a show of force to the Romulans and galaxy at large. A "we know what you've done now, look at what we've got, now we'll be watching" message.
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    #19
    Wowoowowowow!!

    I’m so glad picard didn’t
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    and I’m so glad Riker came to save Picards ass! Also i loved the design of those new federation ships!

    Fitting end to the season, so stoked for season 2!
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    #20
    There's an argument you could make for only 1 class of ship being sent to the battle. The Dominion War did show a weakness in the fleet composition, it had too many vessels being thrown into a situation they were ill-equipped to deal with. The Miranda class got knocked down quickly and easily and the Excelsior finally reached the stage of being shown as a class that had had its day. They needed the harder hitters for that war and they didn't have enough of them. The Galaxy class was the closest thing they had to a battleship up to that point.

    The Defiant shows that thoughts did turn towards vessels that could hit hard and the Akira, Steamrunner and Saber classes seem to run along similar lines about getting newer designs as replacements out into service. The Sovereign has a far more obvious leaning towards tactical than the Galaxy did despite filling a similar role and of course the Prometheus then appeared. But there wasn't enough of them for them to be major players in the war.

    Now jump forward to Picard. It was mentioned in an earlier episode that the loss of Mars caused some major problems (as you'd expect) and Starfleet was short on ships because of it. But then suddenly 200 vessels of the most advanced design ever fielded appear. To me that shows the Federation was focusing its efforts on quietly rebuilding, strengthening and modernising the fleet, most likely only using a few designs to help speed up and ease construction so the older ships could get phased out of service or re-purposed to other means. The new class lead by Riker appeared to exist for the simple task of curb-stomping anyone who so much as looked at the Federation in a funny way.

    It's entirely possible any potential weakness or disinterest Starfleet itself showed in the years since Mars evolved into nothing more than a ruse to buy some time and the appearance of the new armada was a show of force to the Romulans and galaxy at large. A "we know what you've done now, look at what we've got, now we'll be watching" message.
    I see where you're coming from there Petrarch, but I'd be surprised if Utopia Planetia was the only major shipyards that the Federation had which must be the case to have such a large fleet of modern vessels.

    I do disagree to a point that focusing on a smaller number of ship classes would be better, as it would be easier for an enemy to counter this kind of strategy in the future, plus, wouldn't they still have a lot of the ships that were developed during the Dominion wars and afterwards. I'm sure I read that a Galaxy class for example, was intended to have a lifetime of about 50-60 years. So they should still be in operation at this point. It'd have been impractical to just mothball everything but a few. Plus it was never mentioned that the UFP lost a lot of ships (or if it was, I missed it)
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    Utopia Planetia was to my knowledge the primary shipyard in Starfleet.

    But you still have the San Francisco Fleet Yards in orbit above Earth. Also Admiral Picard referenced the Beta Antares Yards & 40 Eridani A Yards as part of his plan to continue the Romulan Evacuation efforts. I'm not sure these yards would've been capable of producing larger Starships such as a Galaxy Glass in terms of scale.

    But even with these three functioning at full capacity. Losing Utopia Planetia would've caused a severe blow to the fleet's production capability. They may have had to streamline the design and classes in the short term. Perhaps Season 2 will shed some light on it. We know that at least by 2409 (Assuming STO does not adjust Lore to compensate for the Attack on Mars), that Utopia Planetia is back in operation. Thus in STO we see multiple ship classes being brought into service.
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    #22
    They probably already started producing a ton more (war)ships after the Borg attacks and the Dominion war... These could have been (partly?) in service from before the attacks... and whoever said it earlier, it makes sense that they would have standardized on only a few designs for efficiency reasons (like they did in WWII and warships!).
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    #23
    I think it boils down to off-screen, on-screen explanations.

    Off screen: it's much cheaper to animate one model and reuse dozens or hundreds of times. Since all age-appropriate ships would have last been animated in an era where 480p and pretty archaic modeling and animation was used, it made since for them to build new models for 2400-era ships that were 4K. And given this is the first season, and a very brief one at that, their budget was probably more let's-see-what-happens than buckets-full-of-latinum.

    On screen: The battles and wars with the Dominion likely depleted much of Starfleet's strength and they were focused on building a Joint Strike Fighter type of ship that was modular, multi-role, and easily built. And Riker, given being one of the most respected and highly decorated officers ever in Starfleet pulled some favors and may have had his pick of the litter. Or maybe Starfleet wised up and wanted their most advanced and fastest task force to counter a fleet of 200+ warbirds. Or maybe they are just Starfleet's kick-ass task force to scare off baddies before shots get fired.

    I see where you're coming from there Petrarch, but I'd be surprised if Utopia Planetia was the only major shipyards that the Federation had which must be the case to have such a large fleet of modern vessels.

    I do disagree to a point that focusing on a smaller number of ship classes would be better, as it would be easier for an enemy to counter this kind of strategy in the future, plus, wouldn't they still have a lot of the ships that were developed during the Dominion wars and afterwards. I'm sure I read that a Galaxy class for example, was intended to have a lifetime of about 50-60 years. So they should still be in operation at this point. It'd have been impractical to just mothball everything but a few. Plus it was never mentioned that the UFP lost a lot of ships (or if it was, I missed it)
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    I liked it overall, just nit-picky things about it were meh. Like the fleets from both Rommy and Federation were silly looking honestly. But Riker being back for a minute. Plus also, I like how trusting Starfleet was, the second the Rommy's leave Starfleet is right behind em. At least leave 1 ship there for a bit to make sure they don't double back lol. And I couldn't care less at Seven and the other chick messing about as Seven was all about Chakotey for a minute in Voyager.

    It was neat that Picard's conscious gets to reunite with Data's before it's shut off. And yay they stopped the Mass Effect apocalypse for now, so there's that.

    I enjoyed the first season overall and hope there's more to come. But I'm kinda looking forward more to any spin-offs that will be hopefully on soon Cool.
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    I liked it overall, just nit-picky things about it were meh. Like the fleets from both Rommy and Federation were silly looking honestly. But Riker being back for a minute. Plus also, I like how trusting Starfleet was, the second the Rommy's leave Starfleet is right behind em. At least leave 1 ship there for a bit to make sure they don't double back lol. And I couldn't care less at Seven and the other chick messing about as Seven was all about Chakotey for a minute in Voyager.

    It was neat that Picard's conscious gets to reunite with Data's before it's shut off. And yay they stopped the Mass Effect apocalypse for now, so there's that.

    I enjoyed the first season overall and hope there's more to come. But I'm kinda looking forward more to any spin-offs that will be hopefully on soon Cool.
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    Apperantly the Blue Skies song on the episode was recorded by Isa Briones aka Soji/Dahj/Sutra/Janna. in a way Data's farewell was by his daughter.

    https://intl.startrek.com/videos/sta...-of-blue-skies

    i find that quite sweet actually Smile
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    I enjoyed it. Hit me right in the feels, but I'd happily watch it all over again.
    Certainly theres plot holes and it felt very rushed, akin to a Game of Thrones season finale (trying to cram in more than the run time allows), but overall it was a good episode. I feel as though the art team could have added some variety to the Romulans and Federation ships though. Come to think of it, I vaguely recall there being more variation of Romulan ships when that fleet set off from the Cube a couple of episodes back...



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    #28
    So... Picard is dead?
    His engrams were copied and pasted but its still a copy, not a transference from what I understood.

    This new Picard is a clone, a copy of all Picards memories and experiences but if I understand correctly, also not the original consciousness that experienced all of those. Similar to what data said in "Measure of a man." the substance is lost, the flavour of the moment.

    I can appreciate they made this sort of limbo but that was the copies experience of being in a matrix the same as data.

    Riker showing up was a highlight and I was very impressed there wasn't an all out battle. This episode despite its various flaws was more akin to Star Trek than they have ever done, in my opinion anyways.

    But, I'm a bit hallow. Picard died, in some ways I consider that character a father figure in my life. A role model, the best of us that I always strived to be online or offline. I won't lie, I shed a tear, it hurt but it was so short, so i don't know. It just gave no closure in any way and left more of a gap then what Nemesis did.

    Data dieing a second time. A huge opportunity was lost there, I think Tasha should have been there not a figment Picard.


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