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[Spoiler] - Discovery S3-E05 - "Die Trying"

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    Episode Discussion

    "DIE TRYING"

    US Airdate: 12/11/2020 (CBS All Access)
    International: 13/11/2020 (Netflix)


    This thread is for the pre and post discussion of the Season 3 episode "Die Trying" - this will be a spoiler filled discussion so if you've found your way past the warnings in the activity stream and the spoiler tag on the thread, this is your last chance to turn back, or at least it will be at the end of this first post. You have been warned!

    With Adria regaining memories from Tal, the crew use the coordinates from Senna Tal and head for the Federation Headquarters to reunite with it and the remnants of Starfleet. However, Discovery soon finds that their appearance does not receive the welcome they expected and they'll have to earn their place once more.

    Some promo shots of the upcoming episode can be found here. Keep an eye out in this episode as it features a guest appearance by director David Cronenberg in an as yet unknown role, famed for his work in the body horror genre which included films such as Scanners, Videodrome and The Fly. Also appearing is Oded Fehr as Fleet Admiral Charles Vance, the Commander in Chief of Starfleet. He's known for appearances in films such as The Mummy and Resident Evil series alongside his various TV roles.

    "Die Trying" is episode 5 of 13.

    Written by: Teleplay by Sean Cochran - Story by James Duff & Sean Cochran
    Directed by: Maja Vrvillo
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    #2
    Haven't seen it yet but while reading reddit I found they showcase the USS Voyager-J and USS Nog apparently;

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    #3
    That was incredible. For the second episode in a row, Discovery managed to bring out tears multiple times. It really hit me hard to see USS Nog, and then when Nhan makes her decision, it hit me again. As with its predecessors TNG and DS9, I really feel like it's putting together an excellent story arc (not that the previous two seasons were lesser) that really expands the ensemble appropriately and solidly. Nhan's characterization since her introduction in Season Two has been drips and drabs, but I daresay her fate hit me harder than it did when Airiam was killed off, and they shoehorned her entire life story into the same episode.

    Cannot wait to see more of this season.

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    #4
    For a wild stab in the dark, if Voyager is on the 11th incarnation, the Enterprise reached that in about half the time in the mid 26th. Carrying that forward, perhaps the NCC-1701-T is out there somewhere, awaiting assignment to fanservice!

    The Voyager-J in particular looks like a seriously impressive ship and the Nog is a nice tribute towards Aaron.

    Also heard mention that a USS Constitution appears in the fleet scene.
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    #5
    I think an Enterprise-T is far too conservative; I think they might be into double letters. NCC-1701-AC Smile

    Yes, a new Constitution appears while they're on approach to the main Federation floating garden station. The expressions of wonderment from the crew really fills you up with the sense of anticipation at arriving at Fleet HQ.

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    #6
    Only watched a little bit so far, and I already want to know more about Voyager J. 😁
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    #7
    Just finished another episode they have hit out the park again they carry on like this then expectations will be high for the full season
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    #8
    Another little nod towards Voyager - though not mentioned on screen, it seems CBS have confirmed that the class of Voy-J is a new Intrepid Class.
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    Not gonna lie, I teared up a little when I saw the USS Nog. I must admit I thought 38 member worlds wasn't bad but down from 350? Ouch, the fact that the Andorians, a founding member, are now antagonistic and in cahoots with the Orions is a punch in the gut.
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    #10
    Loved the tease of all these new ships, and lots of Easter eggs like the USS Nog that I missed watching it. Hopefully we'll get a tease of this timeline's Enterprise (even if they have to build a new one this season after they "solve" the Burn mystery). A little disappointing that we didn't get more alien fanservice this episode though with more recognizable Trek aliens like Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, etc., but guess you can only squeeze so much fanservice into one episode.

    At any rate, I would say the Discovery writers have finally found their groove this season. I'm also now wondering if the Burn might be related to Disco's time jump since they dropped the line about "they were still investigating why the Red Angel suit and Discovery arrived at different times." Maybe the Burn affected the warp-core-bearing (and sphere-bearing) Discovery's jump whereas the suit wouldn't have had a warp core? Is the music part of the Burn's cause too?

    Finally, I hope they didn't "break" Georgiou. Detmer acting all shell-shocked is one thing, but Georgiou has been a fun snarky unfiltered anti-hero twist to the usual straight-laced Starfleet character, so having her blank out and not assassinating everything in sight with martial arts or at least words would be a disappointing loss.
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    #11
    I think she's (Emperor Georgiou) still absorbing the information that her Empire fell. The Empire was a huge part of her personal identity for the lion's share of her adult life. That's enough for anyone to take a moment to consider, isn't it?

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    #12
    Perhaps, though supposedly Starfleet's info is also 500 years outdated from what we saw, so it is dubious info.

    Maybe the old guy is Section 31 or the new equivalent? Seems like this era is a setting where such an organization would flourish. It could possibly be the first seed to spin off the rumored Section 31 show.
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    #13
    I'm thinking a proper Federation Intelligence (like the CIA) agent of some kind or equivalent, maybe. Since he wasn't wearing a uniform, but that's not always an indicator either, right?

    Kurtzman confirmed, btw, that the USS Nog belongs to the Eisenberg-class. Cry

    http://blog.trekcore.com/2020/11/sta...ron-eisenberg/ (above the last image of Nog on the page).

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    #14
     –  Last edited by Shadowmeph; Thu 12 Nov, 2020 5:40 PM.
    the reference to Voyager J was that a accident the they must have allot of stories reference must havbe been referring to the Voyager space probe not the ship with the Jell packs that was built many years after they jumped . also I take it they did some work on discovery its colour is yuk not white.I will have to rewatch the ep again lol
    I loved it when Georgiou was blinking messed up the holos hehe to bad that it seemed they messed with her head probably program something into her subliminally
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    the reference to Voyager J was that a accident the they must have allot of stories reference must havbe been referring to the Voyager space probe not the ship
    Definitely a callback to the ship, you can see in Mack's photo that it clearly has Voyager's registry number before the J. That makes it the 11th ship to bear the name.

    Another ship image, this one is the USS Armstrong and the saucer resembles the 2 wrecked vessels seen in That Hope Is You, but not sure if they're the same class or this one is just similar.

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