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Article: Discovery Shows Its Awareness Of The Kelvin Timeline

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    I think they don't understand the difference between a different Universe (Mirror Universe) and an altered Timeline (Kelvin Timeline, Yesterday's Enterprise, First Contact)
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    I think they don't understand the difference between a different Universe (Mirror Universe) and an altered Timeline (Kelvin Timeline, Yesterday's Enterprise, First Contact)
    That's quite an interesting take Bridger although they could be the same thing. Just the mirror universe diverged at a much earlier point.

    That's the joy of the multiverse theory Smile
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    Excellent article, I'm probably in the minority here but I kind of hope this means more stories set in the Kelvin Timeline. While the films were not great, although I did like Beyond, the comics were very well done, especially the Starfleet Academy series and Boldly Go ended wIth so many unresolved plot points before it was cancelled.
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    That's quite an interesting take Bridger although they could be the same thing. Just the mirror universe diverged at a much earlier point.

    That's the joy of the multiverse theory Smile
    The way they explain it that you have to jump dimensions to get from our Universe to the Mirror Universe and to create an alternate timeline you have to do time travel and do something impactful to change history.
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    There were various non-canon references to the Kelvin Timeline being a separate quantum reality and there's bits in the films where this would make more sense, it's possible they're slipping in a retcon to make that official.
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    The Mirror Universe is an altered Timeline. According to Enterprise, it diverged at First Contact with the Vulcans.
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    The Mirror Universe is an altered Timeline. According to Enterprise, it diverged at First Contact with the Vulcans.
    I'd disagree that this is where it changes, as based on the title sequence we saw on those episodes, the terran empire has been around for quite some time, at least since the moon landings if not longer.

    Based on how it's styled, I'd almost guess it was either WW2 or maybe as far back as Rome
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    I think those openings were definitely meant to have a darker tone to them, but IIRC Archer is talking to Sato (I believe it is) about the records they found on the Defiant and he was saying that that point in history is where they diverged from the Prime Universe. Instead of Zephram Cochrane welcoming the Vulcans with open arms, he led an attack on the Vulcan Survey Ship, which led to the conquering of Vulcan and the forming of the Terran Empire.
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    The Terran Empire is strongly based upon Ancient Rome, the latest episode showed this quite a bit with the theatrical performance mentioning gods and the divine emperor etc.

    So whilst it's unlikely to be a direct descendant I think it's probably fair to assume that much of Earth history in that timeline/universe is dominated by a similar entity. Multiple fascist regimes throughout history have modelled themselves on, or tried to mimic Ancient Rome so it's not out of the realm of reason the Terrans glorified their style and ways as well.

    Regarding it being described as a universe, I think that just makes more sense really if you go along with a multiverse idea. Every decision creates a different universe, or at least those that are large enough to make big changes. So the Nero incident was large enough to push that split off to become its own universe.
    It's all semantics anyway, from a fantasy work of fiction; different universe/timeline, it matters not what you call it. The fact is it's a separate location distinct enough from where the main story takes place that works for the plots. A different timeline may as well be a different universe as it's so different from the norm you are used to.
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    They even called Georgiou daughter of Rome that is probably the biggest indicator.
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    I agree with you Sul about thinking of it more in terms of a multiverse. I'd say the best way to view it is from how Stargate showed it all.

    There could be millions of different universes but maybe different due to a single choice. I'm pretty sure current science suggests it could be possible
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    I agree with you Sul about thinking of it more in terms of a multiverse. I'd say the best way to view it is from how Stargate showed it all.

    There could be millions of different universes but maybe different due to a single choice. I'm pretty sure current science suggests it could be possible
    I always viewed it a bit like Sliders (ah nostalgia!) where there are infinite universes. Perhaps our Trek Prime and Mirror ones are close-ish because they are fairly similar through pure chance, and others are harder less connected. But tbh we've always seen it's pretty easy to jump between universes as it is to get to the MU so I doubt it's really that important.
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