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Posted Sun 15 Feb, 2015 12:45 AM
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I said yes, because they did start it out with Cannon events and if the mirror universe is cannon, and star trek 5 isn't (they did formally say that movie shouldn't have happened), and stuff such as the Future Enterprise going warp 11 before they changed the warp scale, et cetera, then it has to be cannon.
One major reason is that Kirk and Spock are a lot younger in this version. Tuvok at Spock's age, well a little younger, was very similar in his emotion control, and most vulcans that are shown are 80+ years old.
You also have to take into account that this is a set of movies and not a series, and if you look at TNG movies, most of them are action based. The Enterprise in the new movies hasn't been used for exploration it's been used as a warship for the most part. Kirk being Captain in TOS was approx. 15-20 years after the new films.
Besides if Sisko being Jesus is cannon I'm pretty sure anything can be.
One last thought: New Kirk is young, brash and impulsive. So was old Kirk but he had learned a bit of leadership and control by being an officer for so long. Even Picard, Gene's very image of a perfect Federation Officer, as a child was the same to the point of almost dying in a drunken bar fight. Sisko as a youth got his butt kicked by a Vulcan in a drunken altercation. Archer stole a ship. Kirk stole a few ships. Janeway was hampered by guilt, remorse, and was unsure of her actions. Compare Kirk and the new crew to DS9 Red Squad. I personally love the new movies for what they are. I thought the cheesy Spock "KHAAAANNNN!" was brilliant.
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Posted Thu 12 Mar, 2015 6:27 AM
My opinion is that, for any franchise, if something is added to the lore that conflicts with already established things and / or does not reflect the spirit of what came before it should not be considered canon.
That why the following things, for me, are not canon:
- Enterprise
- Star Wars Episode I, II, and III
- Star Trek (2009) and it's sequels.
gonna disagree with you on enterprise
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Posted Thu 12 Mar, 2015 3:42 PM
not only that but braga, roddenberrys son (rod?), and many others who were responsible for the other trek seires created or worked on ENT. cant get more canon than that
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Posted Fri 13 Mar, 2015 1:12 PM
One of the primary reasons Enterprise was considered non-canon was the borg episode. People have always raged about it. But it was an altered timeline, and the borg they found were from the ship in First Contact, so the events happened because of a time travel incident.
And If JJ's universe is considered non-canon then the destruction of Romulus is non-canon. Simply creating a new timeline doesn't make it non-canon, and creating exciting movies doesn't make them non-canon.
As for the cast....Nimoy and Quinto became good friends and Nimoy loved him as Spock. The first movie was Majel Barret Roddenbury's last film role, recorded 2 weeks before her death. Takei talked Cho into taking the job. Nichelle Nichols, Johnathan Frakes, Walter Koenig, and Rod Roddenbury were involved in the script ect during the process.
Gene himself before his death when asked what he wanted the future of star trek to be said he hoped "some bright young thing would come along and do it again, bigger and better".
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Posted Fri 13 Mar, 2015 1:46 PM
ent inst an alternate timeline. enterprise e destroyed the borg ship after they both dropped out of the time portal thingy. when the ships shields were down somne borg were abvle to beam over but not all and the ones that remained crashed in the arctic. none of this screams alternate timeline
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Posted Fri 13 Mar, 2015 3:22 PM
ent inst an alternate timeline. enterprise e destroyed the borg ship after they both dropped out of the time portal thingy. when the ships shields were down somne borg were abvle to beam over but not all and the ones that remained crashed in the arctic. none of this screams alternate timeline
It isn't an alternate timeline, it's an ALTERED timeline. Difference
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Posted Tue 17 Mar, 2015 11:02 PM
THIS !
Gene himself before his death when asked what he wanted the future of star trek to be said he hoped "some bright young thing would come along and do it again, bigger and better".
I personally feel that both ALTERED and Alternate timelines allow endless possibilities - just as Roddenbury apparently desired in the above quote.
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Posted Wed 18 Mar, 2015 5:27 PM
I voted YES:
Well, when it comes to something being canon or non-canon you got to go down to the in-universe facts: Prime Spock is there after the destruction of Romulus and his disappearance. Both canon events. And, come on guys. Who cares if it is canon or not. There is only one prime universe. We are talking about a timeline among countless. It does not interfere whatsoever with anything we know to be a part of the prime timeline.
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Posted Wed 18 Mar, 2015 11:35 PM
I wouldn't class the reboot to be canon to be honest.
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Posted Wed 18 Mar, 2015 11:51 PM
I wouldn't class the reboot to be canon to be honest.
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Posted Thu 19 Mar, 2015 8:47 AM
Just came across this, I think it's fitting.
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Posted Thu 19 Mar, 2015 10:32 PM
I voted yes. Because as I understand the rules of Star Trek Canon, as stated once upon a time by the official Star Trek website, is anything that appeared on screen. Which includes TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and the motion pictures (Including the JJ-reboots)
Think of the JJ-Universe like the Mirror Universe, it's accepted as canon, yet is still an alternate universe.
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Posted Fri 20 Mar, 2015 10:15 AM
I voted yes. Because as I understand the rules of Star Trek Canon, as stated once upon a time by the official Star Trek website, is anything that appeared on screen. Which includes TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and the motion pictures (Including the JJ-reboots)
Think of the JJ-Universe like the Mirror Universe, it's accepted as canon, yet is still an alternate universe.
They did de-canonize Star Trek V, because it was so ridiculous.
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Posted Fri 20 Mar, 2015 10:27 AM
They did de-canonize Star Trek V, because it was so ridiculous.
There are a few oddballs that are an exception to this rule (Threshold being one example) However, the general rule of thumb is that everything seen on-screen is canon unless stated otherwise.
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