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Posted Fri 01 Jul, 2016 5:56 PM
I actually found this on Youtube while looking for cool ST scenes haha but is this for real? I remember watching this as a kid in the US.
This was uploaded on Dec 29, 2010:
"This clip is taken from an episode called 'The High Ground'. The result of this short conversation, and the general theme of the program being centered around insurgency as a means to achieve freedom, led to the BBC (The British Broadcasting Corporation- Britain's national broadcaster) and Sky TV (a Satellite Broadcaster) putting a ban on showing the episode.
When Sky did show the episode they cut the part about Irish reunification in 2024. In Ireland on RTE (Raidió Teilifís Éireann-Ireland's national broadcaster) the showing of the full episode came with a warning describing the content as "Fictional and Aspirational."
The complete episode was only shown for the first time on the BBC in September 2007, Sky TV soon followed suit and aired the full uncut episode. This was 17 years after the original air-date in the U.S. The full program can now be seen on a number of satellite channels unedited.
This ban covered the area of broadcast/transmission/coverage of the BBC (UK and Ireland), Sky TV (mainly the UK and Ireland at that time, but also including parts of Europe) the 'aspirational notice' placed on the program was by RTE (Ireland)."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHsoPPynIIc
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Posted Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:11 PM
Yes it is for real although the episode wasn't actually banned, the BBC didn't show it when it was first run and later runs of the show originally had that scene cut but it was eventually shown in full. I think Sky just didn't want to show it at first.
The reason wasn't so much to do with the theme of the episode but with the specific reference to Ireland, in the conversation between Data and Picard, Data mentions a fictitious Irish reunification taking place in 2024 being achieved as a result of armed rebellion.
Given the fact that the IRA and other Irish terrorist groups were carrying out terrorist attacks against innocent civilians at the time (you can read more about some of those incidents HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE) it was felt that the Irish reference wasn't appropriate as to some extent it was condoning and legitimising the actions of terrorists who were routinely murdering innocents at the time.
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Posted Sat 02 Jul, 2016 3:23 AM
"But if that is so, Captain, why are their methods so often successful? I have been reviewing the history of armed rebellion, and it appears that terrorism is an effective way to promote political change."
"Yes, it can be. But I have never subscribed to the idea that political power flows from the barrel of a gun."
- Data and Jean-Luc Picard, about the actions of the terrorists, which they both feel are unacceptable
I just started really looking into this conversation. Picard is actually quoting Mao Zedong that "political power flows from the barrel of a gun." I learn more and more about history and philosophy from Star Trek all the time.
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Posted Sat 02 Jul, 2016 1:30 PM
I think this is partially a case of us looking back at the time with rose tinted glasses; As Chris points out, the IRA bombings was a very real, and very personal thing to everyone in the UK at the time.
My father was a Canadian Navy officer who was assigned to Portsmouth during the late 80s and early 90s, so I got to experience first hand the threat this represented. As a Canadian I couldn't really understand all of it, especially where I came from a place where I could travel for thousands of kilometers in any direction without any papers at all (The American border was a different entity then).
I can honestly see why they cut it, at the time anything seeming to condone the actions of putting bombs in baby carriages really needed to be pulled. It's science fiction, but just a little too close to home at the time.
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Posted Sat 02 Jul, 2016 3:22 PM
"But if that is so, Captain, why are their methods so often successful? I have been reviewing the history of armed rebellion, and it appears that terrorism is an effective way to promote political change."
"Yes, it can be. But I have never subscribed to the idea that political power flows from the barrel of a gun."
- Data and Jean-Luc Picard, about the actions of the terrorists, which they both feel are unacceptable
Whilst Picard doesn't see the actions as agreeable Data states that terrorism is an effective way of bringing about change, Data also goes on to suggest that terrorism can be acceptable if other methods have been tried and failed.
Regardless of whether you agree to that reasoning or not Data is basically legitimising terrorist attacks against innocent civilians, that's not the message that the BBC and Sky, two of the UK's biggest broadcasters, are going to want to put out at a time when the country they are based in is being attacked by terrorists and their customers are being indiscriminately murdered by them.
Whilst not entirely the same thing it would be like airing an episode days after 9/11 with Data saying something along the lines of "Terrorism can be justified as Bin Laden was a terrorist and he ended up being successful against America and the west." Most American broadcasters would probably say "Yeah we don't want to show that bit, they are condoning the actions of people that just killed loads of people in our own country".
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Posted Thu 20 Jul, 2017 2:23 AM
Whilst Picard doesn't see the actions as agreeable Data states that terrorism is an effective way of bringing about change, Data also goes on to suggest that terrorism can be acceptable if other methods have been tried and failed.
Regardless of whether you agree to that reasoning or not Data is basically legitimising terrorist attacks against innocent civilians, that's not the message that the BBC and Sky, two of the UK's biggest broadcasters, are going to want to put out at a time when the country they are based in is being attacked by terrorists and their customers are being indiscriminately murdered by them.
Whilst not entirely the same thing it would be like airing an episode days after 9/11 with Data saying something along the lines of "Terrorism can be justified as Bin Laden was a terrorist and he ended up being successful against America and the west." Most American broadcasters would probably say "Yeah we don't want to show that bit, they are condoning the actions of people that just killed loads of people in our own country".
I can see why people can take that to mean that Data's legitimising terrorist attacks against innocent civilians, but, I believe that's a misunderstanding. Though Data's able to point out the black/white logic of terrorists using it, he's not justifying it or implying to make it legal.
I feel like your 9/11 example isn't quite accurate due to the specific naming of the the terrorist that orchestrated the specific attack. Though, hundreds of years from now, people will look at our history with the same black/white logic someday, just as we look at our history. Our emotional involvement has been displaced by hundreds of years, that's what the writers were trying to portray, but only too well.