Retired Admiral
Commendation
Commendation (150 Points)
Awarded during the UFP Award Ceremony to those who go above and beyond for the community
Unlocked Sat 24 Sep, 2022 9:24 PM
0.24% have received this achievement
...and On and On
Very Rare (100 Points)
Reach five-thousand posts on the forums
Unlocked Tue 14 Jun, 2022 8:00 PM
0.08% have received this achievement
Highly Decorated
Very Rare (100 Points)
Receive every medal the UFP has to offer
Unlocked Sat 21 Dec, 2019 10:00 PM
0.18% have received this achievement
Academy Dean
Rare (50 Points)
Be Head of Starfleet Academy
Unlocked Fri 18 May, 2018 6:03 PM
0.08% have received this achievement
Admiral Council
Rare (50 Points)
Join the Federation Executive Office
Unlocked Sun 02 Dec, 2018 3:00 PM
0.06% have received this achievement
Admiral
Rare (50 Points)
Receive a promotion to the rank of Admiral
Unlocked Sat 28 Sep, 2019 9:08 PM
0.22% have received this achievement
Posted Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:50 PM
–
Last edited by Petrarch; Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:53 PM.
Star Trek The Motion Picture, a terrible movie for the most part
That movie, also known as Star Trek: Boldly Going Nowhere. Weak plot, not enough going on, a general feeling of being lost and just plain boring when all is said and done. Thankfully they wised up to that with Wrath of Khan and got things on track.
However Discovery eventually turns out, I do think that if another series appears, they need to jump forward in the timeline instead of heading back (say a bounce forward to around 2450) so they get a mostly clean slate to start from and move forwards.
Here's what worries me however.
Star Trek Nemesis from 2002 wasn't a great movie and has the dubious distinction of being the lowest grossing of all the Trek movies. Even if you adjust for inflation, that still doesn't change. It took 7 years for Star Trek to reappear on the big screen.
Star Trek Beyond was a disappointment. It had a good cast and script, lots of throwback references and had the advantage of it being the 50th anniversary.... and yet none of that was capitalised on. I suspect the studio got lazy, expected everyone to flock to it and rather than forgetting about promoting the movie, they simply didn't bother. There's a few rumours that the 4th film is now on thin ice and may not happen but nothing is decided yet.
Enterprise got of to a bad start. The Temporal Cold War arc following into the Xindi wasn't popular. People (generally) hated it. Once they finally moved away from it into mini-arcs, the show started to find it's feet and started to work. But the damage was done by that stage, so the plug was pulled and it got sent off with a mighty kick in the teeth series finale. The franchise was showing serious signs of fatigue at this stage and the cracks had appeared. The TV side of things was dead at that point for the next 12 years.
Now we have Discovery and reading some of the comments in various places online, it's heavily polarised opinions one way or the other. There is nothing wrong with giving opinions or criticism, but the more vocal side of the camp that appears to be winning out are the ones in which the red mist has descended and want it to fail at all costs, taken outside and shot, buried and erased from our memories. We're only 2 episodes in. Where's our sense of adventure and tolerance if we're not even willing to give the show a chance?
Star Trek hasn't had an easy ride in the 21st Century and I'm concerned the powers that be may well end up just saying "Stuff it then, we'll just not bother making anything again" and that'll be the franchise - both Prime and Kelvin Timelines - dead and buried once more, perhaps permanently.
Federation Citizen
Correspondent
Rare (50 Points)
Submit a Federation News Service article
Unlocked Sat 29 Sep, 2018 1:28 PM
0.43% have received this achievement
To Boldly Go On and On
Rare (50 Points)
Reach one-thousand posts on the forums
Unlocked Sun 24 Feb, 2019 4:01 PM
0.70% have received this achievement
Eternal Servitude!
Uncommon (25 Points)
Be a registered user for five years
Unlocked Tue 24 Apr, 2018 11:05 AM
76.57% have received this achievement
Well Respected
Uncommon (25 Points)
Reach reputation tier 6
Unlocked Thu 16 Feb, 2017 5:00 PM
0.70% have received this achievement
Deans List
Uncommon (25 Points)
Pass all three Academy exams
Grandfathered
3.97% have received this achievement
Stepping Forward
Uncommon (25 Points)
Going from Clearance Level 3 to Clearance Level 4
Unlocked Sat 29 Sep, 2018 1:28 PM
1.91% have received this achievement
Posted Mon 25 Sep, 2017 11:57 PM
That movie, also known as Star Trek: Boldly Going Nowhere. Weak plot, not enough going on, a general feeling of being lost and just plain boring when all is said and done. Thankfully they wised up to that with Wrath of Khan and got things on track.
However Discovery eventually turns out, I do think that if another series appears, they need to jump forward in the timeline instead of heading back (say a bounce forward to around 2450) so they get a mostly clean slate to start from and move forwards.
Here's what worries me however.
Star Trek Nemesis from 2002 wasn't a great movie and has the dubious distinction of being the lowest grossing of all the Trek movies. Even if you adjust for inflation, that still doesn't change. It took 7 years for Star Trek to reappear on the big screen.
Star Trek Beyond was a disappointment. It had a good cast and script, lots of throwback references and had the advantage of it being the 50th anniversary.... and yet none of that was capitalised on. I suspect the studio got lazy, expected everyone to flock to it and rather than forgetting about promoting the movie, they simply didn't bother. There's a few rumours that the 4th film is now on thin ice and may not happen but nothing is decided yet.
Enterprise got of to a bad start. The Temporal Cold War arc following into the Xindi wasn't popular. People (generally) hated it. Once they finally moved away from it into mini-arcs, the show started to find it's feet and started to work. But the damage was done by that stage, so the plug was pulled and it got sent off with a mighty kick in the teeth series finale. The franchise was showing serious signs of fatigue at this stage and the cracks had appeared. The TV side of things was dead at that point for the next 12 years.
Now we have Discovery and reading some of the comments in various places online, it's heavily polarised opinions one way or the other. There is nothing wrong with giving opinions or criticism, but the more vocal side of the camp that appears to be winning out are the ones in which the red mist has descended and want it to fail at all costs, taken outside and shot, buried and erased from our memories. We're only 2 episodes in. Where's our sense of adventure and tolerance if we're not even willing to give the show a chance?
Star Trek hasn't had an easy ride in the 21st Century and I'm concerned the powers that be may well end up just saying "Stuff it then, we'll just not bother making anything again" and that'll be the franchise - both Prime and Kelvin Timelines - dead and buried once more, perhaps permanently.
The Fortunate thing is that in the age of "be perfect now" the Netflix deal that CBS signed may cover the series long enough for it to find it's feet. Reportedly this entire season is covered by the Netflix deal and the CBS AA money is gravy. The Netflix deal is a multiyear deal so hopefully we get at least 3 seasons to see what this can do and go from there.
Lieutenant Junior Grade
Gold Contributor
Very Rare (100 Points)
Subscribe to a monthly Gold Subscription
Unlocked Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:00 PM
0.36% have received this achievement
Dedicated
Rare (50 Points)
Volunteer for 1+ year
Unlocked Sun 03 Mar, 2024 1:00 PM
0.55% have received this achievement
The Fool
Rare (50 Points)
Got pranked on April 1st
Unlocked Tue 02 Apr, 2024 5:18 AM
0.46% have received this achievement
Silver Contributor
Rare (50 Points)
Subscribe to a monthly Silver Subscription
Unlocked Mon 25 Sep, 2017 10:00 PM
0.43% have received this achievement
Eternal Servitude!
Uncommon (25 Points)
Be a registered user for five years
Unlocked Sun 26 Dec, 2021 5:01 PM
76.57% have received this achievement
Deans List
Uncommon (25 Points)
Pass all three Academy exams
Unlocked Tue 26 Sep, 2017 1:01 AM
3.97% have received this achievement
Posted Tue 26 Sep, 2017 12:13 AM
Personally, I enjoyed it quite a lot, I think it's an entertaining show.
Could they stick too the lore better? Sure
Could they have done worst? Sure
I thought the visuals were great, the story was great and the acting wasn't too shabby either. Thinking back to certain Trek renditions..
Federation Citizen
Paragon of Duty
Uncommon (25 Points)
Sign three roll calls in a row
Unlocked Thu 01 Mar, 2018 6:02 AM
9.71% have received this achievement
Got Orientated
Common (10 Points)
Sit and pass the Orientation Assessment
Unlocked Wed 05 Jul, 2017 3:00 PM
21.46% have received this achievement
Qualified Officer
Common (10 Points)
Sit and pass the Officer Qualification
Unlocked Fri 07 Jul, 2017 5:04 AM
5.83% have received this achievement
Eternal Servitude!
Uncommon (25 Points)
Be a registered user for five years
Unlocked Tue 05 Jul, 2022 11:02 AM
76.57% have received this achievement
Deans List
Uncommon (25 Points)
Pass all three Academy exams
Unlocked Sat 22 Dec, 2018 11:00 PM
3.97% have received this achievement
Live Long and Prosper
Common (10 Points)
Be a registered user for one year
Unlocked Thu 05 Jul, 2018 11:03 AM
96.11% have received this achievement
Posted Thu 28 Sep, 2017 4:24 PM
Personally, I enjoyed it quite a lot, I think it's an entertaining show.
Could they stick too the lore better? Sure
Could they have done worst? Sure
I thought the visuals were great, the story was great and the acting wasn't too shabby either. Thinking back to certain Trek renditions..
There are DEFINITELY worse examples of Trek out there than what premiered on sunday.
Posted Thu 28 Sep, 2017 4:26 PM
There are DEFINITELY worse examples of Trek out there than what premiered on sunday.
![Wink Wink](./images/smilies/wink.png)
Like.. this episode?
Federation Citizen
Correspondent
Rare (50 Points)
Submit a Federation News Service article
Unlocked Sat 29 Sep, 2018 1:28 PM
0.43% have received this achievement
To Boldly Go On and On
Rare (50 Points)
Reach one-thousand posts on the forums
Unlocked Sun 24 Feb, 2019 4:01 PM
0.70% have received this achievement
Eternal Servitude!
Uncommon (25 Points)
Be a registered user for five years
Unlocked Tue 24 Apr, 2018 11:05 AM
76.57% have received this achievement
Well Respected
Uncommon (25 Points)
Reach reputation tier 6
Unlocked Thu 16 Feb, 2017 5:00 PM
0.70% have received this achievement
Deans List
Uncommon (25 Points)
Pass all three Academy exams
Grandfathered
3.97% have received this achievement
Stepping Forward
Uncommon (25 Points)
Going from Clearance Level 3 to Clearance Level 4
Unlocked Sat 29 Sep, 2018 1:28 PM
1.91% have received this achievement
Posted Thu 28 Sep, 2017 7:54 PM
My WORST of Trek List
TOS - Spock's Brain
TNG - Sub Rosa
DS9 - Take me out to the Holosuite
Voy - Threshold
Ent - These are the voyages....
Rear Admiral
Global Moderator
Pillar of the Community
Very Rare (100 Points)
Be a registered user for 10 years
Unlocked Wed 04 Oct, 2023 10:07 AM
34.86% have received this achievement
Dedicated
Rare (50 Points)
Volunteer for 1+ year
Unlocked Fri 13 Nov, 2020 11:07 AM
0.55% have received this achievement
To Boldly Go On and On
Rare (50 Points)
Reach one-thousand posts on the forums
Unlocked Mon 29 Apr, 2019 8:00 PM
0.70% have received this achievement
Rear Admiral
Rare (50 Points)
Receive a promotion to the rank of Rear Admiral
Unlocked Sat 30 Dec, 2023 10:09 PM
0.47% have received this achievement
Well Respected
Uncommon (25 Points)
Reach reputation tier 6
Unlocked Mon 03 Dec, 2018 11:01 PM
0.70% have received this achievement
FAB-ulous
Common (10 Points)
Be a member of the Federation Administrative Bureau
Unlocked Wed 07 Apr, 2021 10:00 PM
0.35% have received this achievement
Posted Fri 29 Sep, 2017 3:59 PM
–
Last edited by Sul-Matuul; Fri 29 Sep, 2017 4:02 PM.
ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
That episode needs moar:----
Attachment 7541
Honesty though it's true. There have been some absolute stinkers in Trek history, lets give Discovery a chance to at least get the first season off to a proper start before we tear it apart too much.
Veteran Member
Dedicated
Rare (50 Points)
Volunteer for 1+ year
Unlocked Fri 21 Dec, 2018 6:45 PM
0.55% have received this achievement
Paragon of Duty
Uncommon (25 Points)
Sign three roll calls in a row
Unlocked Sun 15 Jul, 2018 9:22 PM
9.71% have received this achievement
Deans List
Uncommon (25 Points)
Pass all three Academy exams
Unlocked Wed 27 Sep, 2017 12:01 AM
3.97% have received this achievement
Poster Child
Uncommon (25 Points)
Reach 500 posts on the forums
Unlocked Sat 05 Jan, 2019 7:04 AM
1.10% have received this achievement
Commander
Uncommon (25 Points)
Receive a promotion to the rank of Commander
Unlocked Sun 24 Jun, 2018 8:43 AM
0.64% have received this achievement
Academic Inclination
Common (10 Points)
Be a member of Starfleet Academy
Unlocked Sun 05 Nov, 2017 11:01 AM
0.49% have received this achievement
Posted Sat 30 Sep, 2017 6:15 AM
Great season opener! I like how to released ep. 2 at the same time. Allows for a smooth flow into the rest of the series.
"What does God need with a starship?" - Kirk
Retired Admiral
Commendation
Commendation (150 Points)
Awarded during the UFP Award Ceremony to those who go above and beyond for the community
Unlocked Sat 28 Sep, 2019 9:19 PM
0.24% have received this achievement
Correspondent
Rare (50 Points)
Submit a Federation News Service article
Unlocked Tue 17 Sep, 2019 9:00 AM
0.43% have received this achievement
Admiral Council
Rare (50 Points)
Join the Federation Executive Office
Unlocked Mon 04 Oct, 2021 8:01 PM
0.06% have received this achievement
Admiral
Rare (50 Points)
Receive a promotion to the rank of Admiral
Unlocked Sat 27 Jun, 2020 9:03 PM
0.22% have received this achievement
To Boldly Go On and On
Rare (50 Points)
Reach one-thousand posts on the forums
Unlocked Mon 08 Oct, 2018 11:01 AM
0.70% have received this achievement
Tour of Duty
Uncommon (25 Points)
RSVP to ten events via the Events System
Unlocked Sun 20 May, 2018 12:04 AM
1.31% have received this achievement
Posted Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:11 AM
I've just watched both episodes again. While I [personally] still don't like what they've done with the Klingons, I definitely think this has the potential to become a great addition to the Star Trek universe.
Retired Admiral
Commendation
Commendation (150 Points)
Awarded during the UFP Award Ceremony to those who go above and beyond for the community
Unlocked Sat 26 Jun, 2021 9:20 PM
0.24% have received this achievement
Highly Decorated
Very Rare (100 Points)
Receive every medal the UFP has to offer
Unlocked Sat 25 Sep, 2021 9:17 PM
0.18% have received this achievement
The Fool
Rare (50 Points)
Got pranked on April 1st
Unlocked Thu 01 Apr, 2021 11:25 AM
0.46% have received this achievement
Admiral
Rare (50 Points)
Receive a promotion to the rank of Admiral
Unlocked Sat 18 Jun, 2022 9:10 PM
0.22% have received this achievement
Eternal Servitude!
Uncommon (25 Points)
Be a registered user for five years
Unlocked Sun 31 Jul, 2022 10:06 PM
76.57% have received this achievement
tlhIngan SuvwI'
Common (10 Points)
Be a member of the House of Kular
Unlocked Tue 12 Feb, 2019 12:02 PM
13.04% have received this achievement
Posted Mon 17 Aug, 2020 11:48 AM
–
Last edited by Taku; Mon 17 Aug, 2020 11:53 AM.
Okay. Um, hi. I am -- obviously -- very late to this party. I put it off for a long while, but finally I gave in to curiosity and I grabbed a copy of Season 1 of Discovery.
I knew very little about the series going in. I knew about Spore drives and mycellium and weird looking Klingons and Tardigrades. I know of them, but not how they meshed. Everything I learned about Disco I learned from STO, and I didn't pay much attention to that.
I just watched the first three episodes back-to-back-to-back. I might get to two and three later. Right now I want to focus on the first episode.
Overall, I liked it. SHOCKING! I know, right? However...
It's not Trek.
It's a decent show, it's just not a decent Trek show. It's a scifi action adventure that uses Trek terminology and characters, but it's not Trek.
We can't discount the improved technology, graphics, and designs. They're all out of phase with what we know is coming after. But also consider that they couldn't make a new Star Trek prequel series today and adhere to canon. Hell, they failed miserably trying to do it with Enterprise. Today's audience would not put up with a canon-style pre-TOS series. They just wouldn't. So of course everything is flashier and edgier and more techie-techie. What they should have done was position Discovery somewhere else in the Prime (or even better, the Kelvin) timeline and it would have made more sense. Place this first episode 150 years after Voyager got home and you're golden. You can even keep your "100 years of no contact with the Klingons" if you want. Redesign the ships a little, yank the crazy bit involving Sarek and Amanda raising Burnham, and Bazinga! -- New Trek.
But this is not Trek.
By shoehorning Discovery into a time frame that has well defined beginning and ending points and a known progression, I think that they have set themselves up to fail. Now keep in mind, I know next to nothing about what's coming up. This is just what I'm taking away from the first episode. (And maybe a little bit of influence from the second and third is creeping in here.)
In the alternative, they could have renamed everything and redesigned the ships and called it Wet Wipe Theatre Presents: Space Adventure Shoot-em-up with Lorca and it would have still been a fairly good show.
I guess what I really feel here is sort of... blah. It's a good enough show on its own, it's downside is that... Say it with me:
It's not Trek.
"And when I saw the breadth of my domain, I wept, for there were no more worlds left to conquer."