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Posted Tue 23 Jan, 2018 8:46 PM
Lt. Commander Data was the Operations Officer and Second Officer aboard the USS Enterprise D.
He was the Executive Officer, replacing Commander William Riker, while the Enterprise was under the command of Captain Edward Jellico. (An open-ended position because of the uncertainty of Picard's return. "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!")
While Data was the XO, he wore Command Red.
So, the color follows the job, not the person.
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Posted Wed 24 Jan, 2018 2:19 AM
I'm not trying to be biased here. I really think that going by the top pick, unless it was a paler shade of blue, I don't think blues would work with the makeup they used.
Also you can't say he wouldn't be a commanding officer considering he was the Captain of the Enterprise-E for the longest time.
Like I said, Data technically can function in any position, but being diplomatic and a commanding officer will be difficult; he can't read people well and people have a hard time relating to him. I don't know of Data being the captain of the Enterprise-E.
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I thought the function of the position dictated the color of the uniform, not the specialty of the person wearing it. This, obviously, does not apply to temporary assignments.
Por ejempla, Beverly was in Command Red in "All Good Things…" while she was commanding the Pasteur.
Also, Janeway was a Science Officer, but when she was promoted to Captain and given Voyager, she switched to Command Red.
Right, Data held both operations officer and science officer positions.
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Awesome, very cool, that's what I was guessing haha
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Wasn't he both the Science officer and Operations officer? In which case as the Operations officer he could have worn the Gold instead of the blue looking at it based on Harry on Voyager who pretty much did a lot of the same things Data did.
Right, I think Kim should have been made a Science officer, whereas Data did hold both positions, especially considering his background.
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Lt. Commander Data was the Operations Officer and Second Officer aboard the USS Enterprise D.
He was the Executive Officer, replacing Commander William Riker, while the Enterprise was under the command of Captain Edward Jellico. (An open-ended position because of the uncertainty of Picard's return. "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!")
While Data was the XO, he wore Command Red.
So, the color follows the job, not the person.
Right, the color follows the job, but Data had two jobs haha. Reminds me of Spock wearing blue though he was first officer. Data wore gold though he held both operations officer and science officer.
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Posted Wed 24 Jan, 2018 4:58 PM
But Data was never the Science Officer. I don't think the Enterprise D had one, now that I think about it.
Captain, Ops, Security, Conn, XO, Counselor, CMO, Chief Engineer, Transporter Chief, but no Science Officer per se.
Maybe Commander MacDuff was the Science Officer? But he wore red…
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Posted Thu 25 Jan, 2018 12:39 AM
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But Data was never
the Science Officer. I don't think the
Enterprise D had one, now that I think about it.
Captain, Ops, Security, Conn, XO, Counselor, CMO, Chief Engineer, Transporter Chief, but no Science Officer per se.
Maybe Commander MacDuff was the Science Officer? But he wore red…
Check out the previous posts; we get into that haha Data was going to be chief science officer. Data graduated, with honors in exobiology and probability mechanics. (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint", "The Measure Of A Man", "Tin Man").
"Originally, Data was going to be the Chief Science Officer on the Enterprise (like Spock was on the original Star Trek (1966)) and wear a blue uniform. However, the color blue clashed with the android make-up and the idea was changed."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092455/...item=tr0750799
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Posted Thu 25 Jan, 2018 2:15 AM
Data did have two jobs, but Science Officer wasn't one of them...officially. He was Operations Manager and Second Officer. He may have unofficially filled in for the role, but that's not the same thing.
And really, then Enterprise D didn't need a science officer. With such a huge crew they had specialists in practically anything they could need.
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Posted Thu 25 Jan, 2018 5:29 AM
Data did have two jobs, but Science Officer wasn't one of them...officially. He was Operations Manager and Second Officer. He may have unofficially filled in for the role, but that's not the same thing.
And really, then Enterprise D didn't need a science officer. With such a huge crew they had specialists in practically anything they could need.
Check out the previous posts; we get into that haha Data was going to be chief science officer. Data graduated, with honors in exobiology and probability mechanics. (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint", "The Measure Of A Man", "Tin Man").
"Originally, Data was going to be the Chief Science Officer on the Enterprise (like Spock was on the original Star Trek (1966)) and wear a blue uniform. However, the color blue clashed with the android make-up and the idea was changed."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092455/...item=tr0750799
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Posted Thu 25 Jan, 2018 8:41 PM
Check out the previous posts; we get into that haha Data was going to be chief science officer. Data graduated, with honors in exobiology and probability mechanics. (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint", "The Measure Of A Man", "Tin Man").
"Originally, Data was going to be the Chief Science Officer on the Enterprise (like Spock was on the original Star Trek (1966)) and wear a blue uniform. However, the color blue clashed with the android make-up and the idea was changed."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092455/...item=tr0750799
Data did have two jobs, but Science Officer wasn't one of them...officially. He was Operations Manager and Second Officer. He may have unofficially filled in for the role, but that's not the same thing.
And really, then Enterprise D didn't need a science officer. With such a huge crew they had specialists in practically anything they could need.
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Posted Fri 26 Jan, 2018 7:38 AM
Data did have two jobs, but Science Officer wasn't one of them...officially. He was Operations Manager and Second Officer. He may have unofficially filled in for the role, but that's not the same thing.
And really, then Enterprise D didn't need a science officer. With such a huge crew they had specialists in practically anything they could need.
Right haha that's my point, Data was one of those specialists considering his graduation with honors in exobiology and probability mechanics.
"Occupation: Operations officer, Second officer, Science officer"
"Science officers of the starships Enterprise: USS Enterprise-D; Data, USS Enterprise-E; Data"
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Data
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Posted Fri 26 Jan, 2018 8:14 AM
I did know that Data was supposed to wear blue and that it clashed with the makeup, but I didn’t know that he was also the second officer. Personally, I liked him best in command red.
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Posted Fri 26 Jan, 2018 12:59 PM
Right hahaha that's my point. Just because someone is trained for a job doesn't make that their job. I'm trained as a network engineer, but that's not my job. Data was trained in the sciences, but wasn't officially science officer.
"Data – USS Enterprise-D, 2364 (TNG: "We'll Always Have Paris")
Data was the operations officer of the Enterprise-D and was only referred to as "science officer" once. It is likely that he was acting in that position, as Swenson was mentioned to be the science officer."
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Science_officer
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Posted Fri 26 Jan, 2018 10:03 PM
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Last edited by Allan Hood; Fri 26 Jan, 2018 10:06 PM.
Right hahaha that's
my point. Just because someone is trained for a job doesn't make that their job. I'm trained as a network engineer, but that's not my job. Data was trained in the sciences, but wasn't officially science officer.
"Data – USS Enterprise-D, 2364 (TNG: "We'll Always Have Paris")
Data was the operations officer of the Enterprise-D and was only referred to as "science officer" once. It is likely that he was acting in that position, as Swenson was mentioned to be the science officer."
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Science_officer
hahaha that's funny; I see your recent quote as supporting what I'm saying, least the first part. I think it's more like Spock; he wore blue but was still in command. Data wore the color to match his eyes haha and was referred to as "science officer," even if once, it happened. That "likeliness" is based off our interpretation, whereas, everything I'm saying is cited in the show or behind the scenes.
haha right, you were trained in that job, but, you could also do the other job, too. Because he was so well trained, and an android, he could easily hold more than one position on a starship, especially considering all the citations I listed.
When I was in TV, most stressful job ever, I was cross-trained on cameras, audio, and visual effects. Even though I was considered a "camera PA," I could do any position, though I was most comfortable on cameras. It sounds like Data had something similar.
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Posted Sat 27 Jan, 2018 2:48 PM
Even though I was considered a "camera PA," I could do any position, though I was most comfortable on cameras. It sounds like Data had something similar.
Hahaha exactly. Even though Data had the training to be a science officer, and event did the science officer's job sometimes, we never officially had that role
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Posted Sat 27 Jan, 2018 5:41 PM
Even though I was considered a "camera PA," I could do any position, though I was most comfortable on cameras. It sounds like Data had something similar.
Hahaha exactly. Even though Data had the training to be a science officer, and event did the science officer's job sometimes, we never officially had that role
So, he had the training to be a science officer, and even did the science officer's job, we know that behind the scenes that the ONLY reason he didn't wear blue was due to the color clash....but you're still saying he never "officially" had that role?? Did any other science officers step up and Data stayed on ops? Nope, someone replaced him at ops and he served as the science officer. Think of all the times that Picard paired La Forge and Data together for an assignment, engineering and science. Picard didn't pick any other science officer, but Data.
"Occupation: Operations officer, Second officer, Science officer"
"Science officers of the starships Enterprise: USS Enterprise-D; Data, USS Enterprise-E; Data"
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Data
He was the science officer on the Enterprise-D AND Enterprise-E haha
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Posted Sat 27 Jan, 2018 6:27 PM
Isn't it possible to be in more then one field (I guess studied) as officer? To my understanding you needed to be super smart to even be in Starfleet, however this is data we are talking about. He could of done each field with ease.
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Posted Sat 27 Jan, 2018 6:46 PM
So, he had the training to be a science officer, and even did the science officer's job, we know that behind the scenes that the ONLY reason he didn't wear blue was due to the color clash....but you're still saying he never "officially" had that role??
haha, Yes.
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