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Posted Tue 28 Jan, 2020 5:37 AM
Okay, let's be very honest here for a moment (it's 06:30 here, I have to go on a business trip and I'm sleep deprived. So I'm annoyed).
Players are angry (and with very good reason) but if someone here thinks PWE/Cryptic can't just bunker down and wait for the storm to blow over, you are not paying attention. If the Defiant is any indication we will quite literally get the ships we wanted the whole time and they will be so powerful that players want them. Especially since they are THE iconic ships from the movies/shows. So of course people will buy them. For full price too, if necessary.
Especially when they can't be bought seperately (which I agree on btw, there is NO mentioning of them being sold seperately) and it's a all-or-nothing deal. Even then people will buy them. And, let's face it, a lot of people who cry havoc right now will buy them anyway. So obviously PWE (I'm giving Cryptic the benefit of doubt here) can sit back and relax and wait for this to blow over.
Is it a scummy move? Absolutely. Do I hate companies basically giving the fingers to their loyal customers? Dang right I do. But will I buy the bundle? Probably, because I love me some Defiant with pilot maneuvers.
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Posted Tue 28 Jan, 2020 5:48 AM
The thing that kills me about this is that the "ships you've been asking about" allusion on the roadmap post back at the end of last year made me think they were going to use the 10th anniversary to give those of us that weren't playing at the time they did some of the ships now in the Phoenix Prize Pack a chance at unlocking them. Hell, I was ready to pay actual money for them. My MME's DPS would skyrocket if I finally got my hands on a Timeline Stabilizer.... Guess they're just content with letting me dil-whore my way to one.
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Posted Tue 28 Jan, 2020 6:54 AM
Okay, let's be very honest here for a moment (it's 06:30 here, I have to go on a business trip and I'm sleep deprived. So I'm annoyed).
Players are angry (and with very good reason) but if someone here thinks PWE/Cryptic can't just bunker down and wait for the storm to blow over, you are not paying attention. If the Defiant is any indication we will quite literally get the ships we wanted the whole time and they will be so powerful that players want them. Especially since they are THE iconic ships from the movies/shows. So of course people will buy them. For full price too, if necessary.
Especially when they can't be bought seperately (which I agree on btw, there is NO mentioning of them being sold seperately) and it's a all-or-nothing deal. Even then people will buy them. And, let's face it, a lot of people who cry havoc right now will buy them anyway. So obviously PWE (I'm giving Cryptic the benefit of doubt here) can sit back and relax and wait for this to blow over.
Is it a scummy move? Absolutely. Do I hate companies basically giving the fingers to their loyal customers? Dang right I do. But will I buy the bundle? Probably, because I love me some Defiant with pilot maneuvers.
A Defiant with some brand new spanking paint jobs, that Pilot ability, & the extra starship trait is the only newness you're getting, all the other stats are slightly different but very similar to a T6/fleet version, & if you or anyone else is okay with that at whatever price that's swell. Based upon what we've seen so far, Defiant & Galaxy, I think the older consoles should've just been transformed to ship abilities, but as it is to use cloak on this Defiant you still have to equip the console.
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More and more the odds are I'd say yes...especially since this pack contains multiple loot box ships it seems.
I tend to agree. Cryptic people seem to like ambiguous terms when it isn't in the best interest of the players & only use direct terms when necessary. There are more ships to be released though so maybe it is only up up & away from here on & I'll change my mind about this bundle but so far NOPE.
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Posted Tue 28 Jan, 2020 6:55 AM
They're not back-peddling, that's the original price they listed for it. They are probably thought that listing a sale price for the pack to 'appease' the player base but most aren't having it.
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Posted Tue 28 Jan, 2020 7:24 AM
A Defiant with some brand new spanking paint jobs, that Pilot ability, & the extra starship trait is the only newness you're getting, all the other stats are slightly different but very similar to a T6/fleet version, & if you or anyone else is okay with that at whatever price that's swell. Based upon what we've seen so far, Defiant & Galaxy, I think the older consoles should've just been transformed to ship abilities, but as it is to use cloak on this Defiant you still have to equip the console.
This is highly subjective, but yes. For me paying for this Defiant if worth it.
I don't care about the nose art (I fly a space ship, not a WW2 fighter plane) and I don't have speace for the consoles anyway. I also own all current Defiant versions, so all consoles and quad cannons I already have. But I'm a mediocre pilot at best and those pilot maneuvers will help me immensely keeping the cannons on target. Likewise the 5th cannon slot is huge for me as I can take wide-angle DHC there. It's all about QOL for me here.
Does that justrify the price tag? Not objectively, but I will get it anyway for the QOL upgrade.
Doesn't invalidate my rant above on a general level though
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Posted Tue 28 Jan, 2020 8:28 AM
They're not back-peddling, that's the original price they listed for it. They are probably thought that listing a sale price for the pack to 'appease' the player base but most aren't having it.
Agreed. I was on my way to work and jumped the gun. I for some reason thought it wasn't on offer before.
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My view is if you buy either of these bundles then you are part of the problem.
I’m not ashamed to say that.
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Despite the rage on this the visuals from ZEFilms do look good. but not 30k's good
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And a rumor going about says PWE is restricting Cryptic from any action to stabalise the large inflation so that Dil exchange isn't viable for the booku buck packs coming out.
Do you have a source as to where that rumor originated? Twitter, Reddit?
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Found this on Twitter earlier.
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Posted Tue 28 Jan, 2020 3:38 PM
This is highly subjective, but yes. For me paying for this Defiant if worth it.
I don't care about the nose art (I fly a space ship, not a WW2 fighter plane) and I don't have speace for the consoles anyway. I also own all current Defiant versions, so all consoles and quad cannons I already have. But I'm a mediocre pilot at best and those pilot maneuvers will help me immensely keeping the cannons on target. Likewise the 5th cannon slot is huge for me as I can take wide-angle DHC there. It's all about QOL for me here.
Does that justrify the price tag? Not objectively, but I will get it anyway for the QOL upgrade.
Doesn't invalidate my rant above on a general level though
Doesn't invalidate at all! Pilot maneuvers are very nice to have & use, I have a couple of ships with it & enjoy it. What matters is if you're happy about it buy or not. I'm hoping these two are the least impressive out of the bundle, which are nice, & it eventually changes my mind about purchasing. I also think you're probably too correct about Cryptic's assumption of just waiting out the storm. Cryptic has done it before & sadly we/players endure it often enough.
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Found this on Twitter earlier.
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Posted Wed 29 Jan, 2020 5:50 PM
They're just whale hunting, apparently.
After reviewing the list of what's being offered in each pack, the only thing "unique" in each pack seems to be the one exclusive skin that comes for each ship. Not really worth the price of the packs, IMO. Garnishing it with RNG isn't going to make it more appealing, either.
Seems to be targeted more toward prospective new players who just want to jump in and gear up rather than players who've been around the game already, given most players probably already have at least half the ships being offered in each pack.
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Posted Wed 29 Jan, 2020 8:11 PM
After reviewing the whole discussion, I can see both sides to it. But I am gonna be selfish about it and i will I really want that feckin Epic-Token. As I mentioned earlier in the thread I prob have already spent 60k zen in trying to get one for my rommy in the past few months with no sucess, I have one on my main fed which i used to get the cold-hearted trait.
I am gonna pay 29. whatever k zen for a guaranteed Epic token, and plus point I get a Defiant with 5/3 layout.
I got the cash, so I 'will make it so' and have my cake and eat it, would I prefer that it was cheaper, feck yeah. I maybe well-off, but aint stupid, but I know what I want and I want that guaranteed epic token for me to get cold-hearted trait.
In the future, epic token's could have a better drop rate, they could be tradable, I could be the next prime minister, anything is possible. But for now I will stick to certain facts and the only way I gonna get a epic token with 100% certainty is pay for over-priced bundle.
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