[Discussion] - Fleet admiral rank in Star Trek online

JByb04 · Posted Fri 25 Mar, 2022 8:17 AM

Another solution is you just start out at the rank of Captain and level up from there. That solves the T6 ships from the get-go issue and nobody is a flag officer.

lol If only STO 2.0 was really in development. If we could press the reset button and I was in charge. We wouldn't be commanding starships from the get-go. You'd be a member of a Starfleet crew, complete missions and assignments, promote, and move to a different ship until you were promoted to Captain. You could even do the same with a Klingon or Romulan crew.

However, since none of that is likely to happen. I'll just continue to passively ignore being referred to as Admiral, keep my title as Captain, and wait for Cryptic to come to their senses.

timverbesselt · Posted Fri 25 Mar, 2022 2:47 PM

Off course admiral itself is also acceptable, as many admirals are field officers that are leading squadrons, wings, or whatever.
Now with the war, also a lot of generals in Russia are in the field (and some also die in the line of fire)

Maybe fleet commander with the rank of just admiral, also ok
But a fleet admiral is the highest you have so still doesn’t make sense

Remsus · Posted Fri 25 Mar, 2022 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by JByb04

... wait for Cryptic to come to their senses.

More likely a certain hot place full of fire will freeze over ...

I now think at STO, the principle "leading from the front" is practiced.

Silek · Posted Fri 25 Mar, 2022 3:29 PM

Not to get off topic, but how common is it to have someone with a Captains rank who is not THE Captain of the ship? I think the Saru Discovery situation is the only time I've seen it. Could this kind of thing translate into the Admiralty as well?

timverbesselt · Posted Fri 25 Mar, 2022 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by Silek

Not to get off topic, but how common is it to have someone with a Captains rank who is not THE Captain of the ship? I think the Saru Discovery situation is the only time I've seen it. Could this kind of thing translate into the Admiralty as well?

At one time there was also captain spock and captain Scott at TOS, and leading the enterprise admiral Kirk.

Originally Posted by Remsus

More likely a certain hot place full of fire will freeze over ...

I now think at STO, the principle "leading from the front" is practiced.

Leading from the front, just as I was thinking

Sul-Matuul · Posted Fri 25 Mar, 2022 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by Silek

Not to get off topic, but how common is it to have someone with a Captains rank who is not THE Captain of the ship? I think the Saru Discovery situation is the only time I've seen it. Could this kind of thing translate into the Admiralty as well?

The U.S.S. Defiant is commanded by both Sisko and Dax at various times when both are only Commander rank. So you definitely didn't always need a captain on board.

And I believe Kirk commanded the Enterprise when an Admiral, with Spock as a Captain under him. In fact in the Kelvin films Pike is an admiral with no captain on the ship at all I believe.

Seems like the rank requirements are a bit wishy-washy in their continuity!

Silek · Posted Fri 25 Mar, 2022 5:23 PM

I really should have remembered those. I just finished re-watching DS9, but in my head its always Captain Sisko, even when its not.

As far as ranks in STO, I guess I've always considered myself to be the Fleet Admiral, sending my ships off to do my bidding both in the Admiralty, and by embodying my toons. That being said, I agree with most of you and don't really dress my peeps in anything higher than Captain's pips.

Originally Posted by timverbesselt

At one time there was also captain spock and captain Scott at TOS, and leading the enterprise admiral Kirk.

Leading from the front, just as I was thinking

Originally Posted by Sul-Matuul

The U.S.S. Defiant is commanded by both Sisko and Dax at various times when both are only Commander rank. So you definitely didn't always need a captain on board.

And I believe Kirk commanded the Enterprise when an Admiral, with Spock as a Captain under him. In fact in the Kelvin films Pike is an admiral with no captain on the ship at all I believe.

Seems like the rank requirements are a bit wishy-washy in their continuity!

Miles · Posted Sat 26 Mar, 2022 5:38 AM

Originally Posted by Silek

Not to get off topic, but how common is it to have someone with a Captains rank who is not THE Captain of the ship? I think the Saru Discovery situation is the only time I've seen it. Could this kind of thing translate into the Admiralty as well?

In the real navy, the "captain" of a ship is not always a "captain" in rank. For example, a Commander can serve as a captain of a frigate.

timverbesselt · Posted Sat 26 Mar, 2022 9:36 AM

Originally Posted by Miles

In the real navy, the "captain" of a ship is not always a "captain" in rank. For example, a Commander can serve as a captain of a frigate.

True, captain is not only a rank, it is also a job title or function.
But this still does not apply to the “fleet admiral” rank. But that rank can also be a captain off course

Remsus · Posted Sat 26 Mar, 2022 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Miles

In the real navy, the "captain" of a ship is not always a "captain" in rank. For example, a Commander can serve as a captain of a frigate.

This was also mentioned on DS9 Season 4 Episode 6 "Behind the Lines" between O'Brien and Nog:

"It's an old naval tradition. Whoever's in command of a ship, regardless of rank, is referred to as 'captain.' "
"You mean if I had to take command, I would be called 'captain,' too?"
"Cadet, by the time you took command, there'd be nobody left to call you anything."
"Good point."

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki...ines_(episode)

Bridger · Posted Sat 26 Mar, 2022 10:39 AM

Little fun fact the US-Navy has more Admirals than ships

The Rank system in STO should have stopped at Captain or Rear Admiral (lower half) formerly known as Commodore.

timverbesselt · Posted Sat 26 Mar, 2022 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Bridger

Little fun fact the US-Navy has more Admirals than ships

Why is that actualy?
What is the function of all those admirals then in the US navy as they cannot be all in command of a ship or a fleet of ships as there are more then there are ships?
Or do many of them also command bases or have desk jobs or something?

Petrarch · Posted Sat 26 Mar, 2022 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by timverbesselt

Why is that actualy?
What is the function of all those admirals then in the US navy as they cannot be all in command of a ship or a fleet of ships as there are more then there are ships?
Or do many of them also command bases or have desk jobs or something?

Flag officers don't necessarily mean they're in direct charge of ships or forces in the field - someone has to oversee logistics and procurement for example, another will have responsibility for training etc. I believe the US Navy for example currently has 6 4-star Admirals and 2 4-Star Generals (Marines) and after the big cheese who has overall command there'll be multiple others beneath them that carry out operations and as you say, some will be in command of major bases, dockyards etc.

Bridger · Posted Sat 26 Mar, 2022 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by timverbesselt

Or do many of them also command bases or have desk jobs or something?

Pretty much that or they lead Research Departments.....

Miles · Posted Sat 26 Mar, 2022 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by timverbesselt

Why is that actualy?
What is the function of all those admirals then in the US navy as they cannot be all in command of a ship or a fleet of ships as there are more then there are ships?
Or do many of them also command bases or have desk jobs or something?

quoting from this: https://www.military-ranks.org/navy/...ral-lower-half

Promotion to Rear Admiral Lower Half is an extremely selective process, as the Navy can have only 160 active-duty flag officers at any given time.

A Rear Admiral Lower Half generally commands a small floatilla of several small Navy ships such as destroyers, a squadron of submarines, or a group of air wings

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