Posted Sun 04 Feb, 2018 11:53 PM
EPISODE DISCUSSION:
The War Without, The War Within
This thread is for pre and post episode discussion of the 9th episode, The War Without, The War Within. If you do not wish for spoilers, then you have missed all the warnings in the title and activity stream, shocking! So if you are reading this post, then you should turn away now.
The episode first airs on the 4th Febuary for American viewers and the 5th Febuary for international viewers.
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Posted Mon 05 Feb, 2018 3:31 AM
Putting "Georgio" back in the captain's seat was kind of predictable. To be honest, despite the fact he ended up being a Terran, I kind of liked Lorca and will miss him. Kind of reminded me of a McArther or Patten kind of leader. Even so, I do have to admit I kind of liked that wry, devilish smile Georgio had in teh closing scene.
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Posted Mon 05 Feb, 2018 7:31 AM
Did. Not. Expect.
anything really.
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Posted Mon 05 Feb, 2018 11:18 AM
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It was a good episode.
But somehow, I'm not digging the whole Phillipa Georgio / Terran Captain in Federation arc. How is the Federation even trusting the Emperor and a Conqueror with this ship? She'll just conqueror Starfleet Command at this rate, heck, she's worse that Mirror Lorca. Furthermore, I hate it that with this episode it has been established that Prime Lorca is dead.
Starfleet has clearly lost more than assets in this war, they've lost brain cells.
Putting "Georgio" back in the captain's seat was kind of predictable.
I don't know, it wasn't obvious to me. I was predicting for Saru to become the Captain - if anything. Now that the Emperor commands Discovery though, the only thing I see happening to him is ending up as dinner.
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Posted Mon 05 Feb, 2018 3:31 PM
I agree, this was not something I saw coming and it think it’s a terrible idea.
That said I’m super curious to see where the story goes next
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Posted Mon 05 Feb, 2018 5:18 PM
Okay, so I have a new theory on the Klingons in Discovery.
The Klingons we see are the result of genetic manipulation to correct the augment virus 100 years prior during Enterprise. The genetic manipulation is also what has caused the more aggressive behavior and savagery resulting in the deterioration of the empire. All of this has resulted in a resentment by T'Kuvma towards humans and the Federation which is why this all started.
There are still some normal looking Klingons that are in the minority and there are human looking TOS Klingons that will rise to power once most of these genetically modified ones are wiped out why this conflict.
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Posted Mon 05 Feb, 2018 5:24 PM
I really liked this episode.
There has been some OK moments but the moment of pure joy in the eyes of the crew when they create a spore based life on that moon and see it flourish.. its incredible. this is why they are there. this is what it means to be Starfleet. Seek out new life. Explore. even in the burden of war being able to see that for them is pure joy.
Now to the end of it... I understand that her tactics is needed but i dont see the reasoning of trying to Push Emperor Georgiou as the Prime version to the crew. considering they all knew about the mirror universe. Unless there has been transfers from some other ships to the crew for this operation..
I am curious to see how they will wrap the season finale with all this going on. it is going to be quite interesting....
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Posted Tue 06 Feb, 2018 12:36 AM
Putting the Terran emperor in the command chair shows how desperate they have become, but don't expect her to survive this war. One way or another she will die.
I look forward to seeing and all out battle above the Klingon home world. Much like Axanar had that one commander that changed they way the war was fought, I think the Discovery and Georgiou will do the same.
I'm still curious to see what will lead to Starfleet abandoning the Spore drive in favor of warp.
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Posted Tue 06 Feb, 2018 8:39 AM
You would also assume, that the they would have mentioned in any series that the last time we were at war with the Klingons we were nearly defeated and Martok said in one episode that even the Klingons were never bold enough to attack Earth.
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Posted Tue 06 Feb, 2018 10:49 AM
I think Michael will end up betraying again. I also think this is reverse engineering of Axanar in some aspects. Like how Klingon is attacking each time with different regiments - its hard for Starfleet to anticipate their tactics. Just like in Axanar the Klingons couldn't anticipate the different species would use different tactics when in command of different ships. Axanar rule of war "Know your enemy" - in Discovery, its Starfleet who doesn't know much about Klingons.
and Martok said in one episode that even the Klingons were never bold enough to attack Earth.
Did he hint that humans had attacked Qonos when he said this?
Posted Tue 06 Feb, 2018 11:02 AM
Surely Georgiou is only Captain temporarily for that mission? I don't believe that Starfleet will let her keep command, it should go back to Saru after they've done their job at Qo'nos.
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Posted Tue 06 Feb, 2018 11:06 AM
Surely Georgiou is only Captain temporarily for that mission? I don't believe that Starfleet will let her keep command, it should go back to Saru after they've done their job at Qo'nos.
I don't know, she opened a ship wide or maybe even a fleet wide frequency to introduce Captain Georgio... seems pretty permanent to me. Besides, the emperor is smart - she will keep giving information in exchange for maintaining command.
She's been interested in Discovery's technology even as Emperor, wanted its schematics and what not.
Posted Tue 06 Feb, 2018 11:14 AM
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I don't know, she opened a ship wide or maybe even a fleet wide frequency to introduce Captain Georgio... seems pretty permanent to me. Besides, the emperor is smart - she will keep giving information in exchange for maintaining command.
She's been interested in Discovery's technology even as Emperor, wanted its schematics and what not.
I thought that was only a bridge message, I didn't realize that it was broadcasted throughout the ship, I'll have to watch that bit again. I like Georgiou, but only Starfleet Georgiou, not the mirror version. I really do hope Saru is captain after this because I'm not really fond of the emperor.
Edit: Yep, it was a shipwide message. Just watched the clip again!
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Posted Tue 06 Feb, 2018 11:50 AM
Ooooo Michael, you done messed this up. SHAME ON YOU!