Posted Thu 28 Feb, 2019 2:39 PM
EPISODE DISCUSSION:
Light and Shadows
This thread is for pre and post episode discussion of the 7th episode from season 2, Light and Shadows. If you do not wish for spoilers, then you have missed all the warnings in the title and activity stream, shocking! So if you are reading this post, then you should turn away now.
The episode first airs on the 28th of February for American viewers and the 1st of March for international viewers.
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Posted Fri 01 Mar, 2019 8:36 PM
I enjoyed this episode so much that I will not even complain about Burnham. Yes, it was that good!
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Posted Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:55 PM
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Well as I stated in a thread about Season 3 renewal, where I think it was mentioned on STO, one user commented - Star Trek Discovery, Season 3: 'The Search for Canon'. As Season 2 was almost the Search for Spock.
Yet I thought it was good as well.
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Posted Sat 02 Mar, 2019 3:37 AM
Sans Bridger's comment this time around, I'll throw some water on this lovefest.
Burnham...I'll leave her alone going forward. She is what she is, and she's not going to change. Some like her...I don't.
Spock...I really don't like that they tied this red angel stuff up with Spock having a childhood learning disability, aphasia I believe is what was said. Then making the twist solution be born out of that realization. It's like the only reason Spock had the learning disability was so that Burnham could figure out what Spock was trying to say...UGH! Just tell a good story already! This writing is so much amateur hour, adolescent crap.
Related to the last comment...more magic shrooms power! Stamets magically understands the timey, wimey stuff...cool...cool...more UGH!
On a positive note, having nothing to do with the storytelling, the Talosians look super cool!!! Pike and Spock supposedly interacted with the Talosians three years prior to this episode, so I'm willing to see where this goes, but given the writers history to date, I'm only cautiously optimistic.
I have a neutral opinion of this episode, and voted accordingly.
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Posted Sat 02 Mar, 2019 1:14 PM
Look ... Amanda is hawt.
That's all I got from the episode and it makes me feel a little dirty.
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Posted Sat 02 Mar, 2019 1:55 PM
Look ... Amanda is hawt.
That's all I got from the episode and it makes me feel a little dirty.
You mean there was more to the episode?!?!? (like Michelle Yeoh busting out the Kung Fu)
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Posted Sat 02 Mar, 2019 3:09 PM
You mean there was more to the episode?!?!? (like Michelle Yeoh busting out the Kung Fu)
After Crouching Tiger (among other truly Kung Fu stuff) ...
Well ...
Amanda yo.
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Posted Sat 02 Mar, 2019 4:14 PM
Honestly, I don't even know how I feel about this episode. Like, no idea at all. The time vortex plot was there, I feel something more could've been done out of it other than Vok-Pike bonding session... I don't know.
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Posted Sat 02 Mar, 2019 8:04 PM
I don't think it was as good as last weeks episode but still pretty good .
There was some nice attention paid to the rest of the bridge crew for a change and the Tilly-Stammets bits are always fun. I do enjoy the new, less scared Saru as well, he is developing nicely as a character with his changes.
The effects were pretty spectacular though, wonderful visuals. And it was nice to see Vulcan presented as an actual planet with some mixed biomes and build up cities rather than just a place that looks like Death Valley all the time.
Spock knowing about the Red Angel/numbers didn't really bother me tbh. Clearly whatever knowledge he has become privy to has messed with his mind and the only way it knows to react is via extreme symptoms of his younger self's learning problems.
Interesting to see what Georgiou's endgame is though, wonder why she is willing to let Burnham escape with Spock unless there is something she wants out of it.
I honestly thought the probe they sent out was going all V'ger on them for a second....could be something similar. I get the feeling that something serious happened 500yrs into the future and the Red Angel is trying to avoid it, whilst whatever affected that probe is trying to ensure it happens.
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I don't think it was as good as last weeks episode but still pretty good...
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Interesting to see what Georgiou's endgame is though, wonder why she is willing to let Burnham escape with Spock unless there is something she wants out of it.
I believe she did mention something, …
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Posted Mon 04 Mar, 2019 11:12 PM
I just finally got to watch this week's episode and really enjoyed it. I hope they open more episodes with a Log Entry. I'm looking forward to next weeks episode and the return of the Telosians.
I think Lt. Commander Airiam is the Red Angel btw. You heard it here first.
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I just finally got to watch this week's episode and really enjoyed it. I hope they open more episodes with a Log Entry. I'm looking forward to next weeks episode and the return of the Telosians.
I think Lt. Commander Airiam is the Red Angel btw. You heard it here first.
Yea I've wondered the same thing yet discounted it; for similar reasons it's not Burnham. The Red Angel seems linked mostly to Spock, and has in fact been associated with him for Decades, and long before the existing crew even knew of Spock. Even Burnham only recently became aware of this 'Red Angel', and then seemed shocked when she found the connection to her brother.
Though after the Probe incident, something seemed to change in Airiam. The Flash in her eye, like the probe had downloaded or influenced her, but I could be wrong. I think we will be seeing more of Airiam, in future episodes, as they develop her character a bit more.
I still believe the "Red Angel" is someone or something, we haven't yet considered, or possibly opened our mind to yet?
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I guess we'll have to wait and see.