[WelshAvenger]

Well, there may be a reason we've never seen a Human-Andorian hybrid in any of the on screen canon or novels. Even memory alpha doesn't list human-andorian hybrids, (lots of others though). It could be that the genomes are just not compatible. Obviously, the couple could come to sickbay and ask for help which will make for some interesting ethical moments of roleplay for Doc.

[Silynn]

Andorians have rarely been brought up in canon. The only ref there is, i think, is Enterprise.

Even leaving the on-screen canon, we have a significant amount of novels. On Memory-Alpha, lots of human hybrids.

The reference from Enterprise is about the only known hybrid with andorians is among their own genome (Aenar/Andorian hybrid). Nothing else. Andorians are not just 'blue humans'.

More importantly, Andorians have FOUR sexes required to create life... thaan (male 1) and shen (female 1) do the initial step. Next, Chan (male 2) comes along and adds his uh-input. Then the shen (Female 1) transfers the egg to zhen (female 2) where the zygote develops into an embryo and carries it to full term. Additionally, the zhen (female 2) does not contribute anything genetically to the offspring. Only the two fathers (thaan & chan) and the shen.

Now, this is just a suggestion. Chuck it, consider it, embrace it, stomp on it... whatever.

If Sam and Akiv want to be a family with kids, mayhap adopt? With the Dominion War, I'm positively certain there are a few orphans out there that could use a home. Perhaps Akiv already took a child under her wing? Perhaps Akiv is a zhen female, and a child she carried (duty of an andorian whatnot) is orphaned (both fathers and mother all gone). There is a lot of potential there without breaking the laws of science or lore.

I'll retreat back to the shadows now...

[Asteropax]

Well, there may be a reason we've never seen a Human-Andorian hybrid in any of the on screen canon or novels. Even memory alpha doesn't list human-andorian hybrids, (lots of others though). It could be that the genomes are just not compatible. Obviously, the couple could come to sickbay and ask for help which will make for some interesting ethical moments of roleplay for Doc.

Worf and Jadzia Dax were making preparations to have a baby towards the end of DS9 Season 6 with Doctor Bashir's help. It sounded like progress was being made over time but everything was halted after she was killed in the season finale. Though I haven't heard of Andorian/Human Hybrids, there's enough out there to know it's possible due to an ancient humanoid race (aka 'Preservers' in STO) laying the seeds of evolution across the Milky Way with a similar genome.

Memory Alpha Link to Ovarian Resequencing Enzymes
Memory Alpha Link to Preservers

More importantly, Andorians have FOUR sexes required to create life... thaan (male 1) and shen (female 1) do the initial step. Next, Chan (male 2) comes along and adds his uh-input. Then the shen (Female 1) transfers the egg to zhen (female 2) where the zygote develops into an embryo and carries it to full term. Additionally, the zhen (female 2) does not contribute anything genetically to the offspring. Only the two fathers (thaan & chan) and the shen.

Now, this is just a suggestion. Chuck it, consider it, embrace it, stomp on it... whatever.

If Sam and Akiv want to be a family with kids, mayhap adopt? With the Dominion War, I'm positively certain there are a few orphans out there that could use a home. Perhaps Akiv already took a child under her wing? Perhaps Akiv is a zhen female, and a child she carried (duty of an andorian whatnot) is orphaned (both fathers and mother all gone). There is a lot of potential there without breaking the laws of science or lore.

Good point, I'd forgotten about them having 4 sexes. Perhaps they have some sort of a 3rd party involved? Yeah, a bit weird from most other races' point of view but we are talking about an alien race here.

[Krajin]

Andorians are pretty much Human-ish. But if theres some bit of lore that would help it would be good

By memory most species in the Trek-verse can interbreed. Though apparently there is still plenty enough genetic dimorphism that some cannot interbreed with each other despite having the right bits line up. Vulcans and Humans require some genetic work. As do Klingons and Trill?

[Josh Broughm]

More importantly, Andorians have FOUR sexes required to create life... thaan (male 1) and shen (female 1) do the initial step. Next, Chan (male 2) comes along and adds his uh-input. Then the shen (Female 1) transfers the egg to zhen (female 2) where the zygote develops into an embryo and carries it to full term. Additionally, the zhen (female 2) does not contribute anything genetically to the offspring. Only the two fathers (thaan & chan) and the shen.

I'll retreat back to the shadows now...

AYYYYYYYYYY! Star Trek Lore is SOOOO CONFUSING! LOL

That, there, kinda shoots down the idea. That's fine.

As for the Threesom thing.......KINKY :p But I think I can go with Sam & Akyv asking The doc if its even possible, then settling on straight adoption.

[WelshAvenger]

But I think I can go with Sam & Akyv asking The doc if its even possible, then settling on straight adoption.

This right here avoids the dark and murky ethical waters that Doc would have to have waded through in order to actually make it happen (because you know that Doc is a soft touch and would have wrestled with his own personal ethics and morals).

[LogicalLeopard]

AYYYYYYYYYY! Star Trek Lore is SOOOO CONFUSING! LOL

That, there, kinda shoots down the idea. That's fine.

As for the Threesom thing.......KINKY :p But I think I can go with Sam & Akyv asking The doc if its even possible, then settling on straight adoption.

From what I remember, that's from the novels, and hasn't been established in canon. In Data's Day, Data says, "Andorian marriages require groups of four, unless...." Then someone elaborated on the idea in the novels, and said there were four sexes. I think it's the post-DS9 novels which do that.

So, you have leeway here with the marriage. I dont think Data ever completes his thought. As far as the baby, it seems like people get together on Star Trek, go to the doctor, and have a baby through some means. I'm not a genetic expert at all, but I would imagine that it involves splicing some similar genes from one parent to a child that is almost exclusively one race. Look at Humans and Vulcans. They are not at all compatable, because they have blood based on two different things (copper and iron), their organs are different, etc. Spock physically looks almost entirely Vulcan, and his physiology appears to be entirely Vulcan - no one has ever said that Spock has any atypical physical qualities due to his human heritage.

So all that says to me is that they asked Sarek and Amanda, "What do you want your kid to be, Vulcan or Human, and they said "Vulcan." Then, they took a handful of Amanda's genes that were similar enough to Vulcan genes to pass and not cause any harm, sprinkled them in, and said, "There you go, it's a Hybrid" although he's mostly Vulcan.

Can something like that be done for a Human and Andorian? They tell me that a banana has a quarter of the same genes as a human. Throw the word "Preserver" in, and you've got your link, in my opinion. But reasonably, you'd have to decide if your kid was going to be mostly Andorian or mostly Human. Maybe like a human baby with a white hair gene? Or maybe an Andorian with a weird dark haired gene.

[Josh Broughm]

@WelshAvenger

Mell is an NPC, right?

[Silynn]

@WelshAvenger

Mell is an NPC, right?

Yes.

Nurse - Mell Sims White, Ensign, 27 years, Human

[WelshAvenger]

So I know things are quiet but I'm still around. I've got a JP with Krajin on the go and then a JP with Silynn that's ready to post as soon as Krajin and I are finished.

[Blaster]

I introduced Darius, a LT CMDR on Lakota to the story. Is that okay?

[Asteropax]

I introduced Darius, a LT CMDR on Lakota to the story. Is that okay?

Sounds good. I remembered something from awhile back so have a little change to make; Leopard introduced a character named Galvut to be the Lakota Tactical Officer. Lets make Darius that ship's First Officer or Chief Engineer instead.

[Blaster]

He can be the FO, yep.

[Josh Broughm]

Anyone know what RedKing's status is?

[Asteropax]

I'm not sure. I know he's been doing things for his position in the UFP Academy but I haven't seen anything from him on the Ares Roleplay in about a month. He may just be busy from RL commitments but if he doesn't get back to you on your story post soon, shoot him a PM to check in.