[Kerry Malone]

And when I repackage them all, can I move them all at once with some type of ship?

Since I suspect they're all relatively small-ish ships, then I suspect you can get them all into a Iteron 5 with maxed out hold-cap. Or as Ricwin said, it may be much easier to just buy replacements if you can. Since you're likely using Tier 1 stuff, its not that expensive to replace.

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Thats what I'm concerned about if I log back in. All my stuff was in various systems in Delve, and it'll have been scattered Asset Safety Warped to who knows where. No idea where the capital ships will have gone now.

Yeah... I just had to deal with that from the fall of "Winterfell" from Kasser Stellar Dynamics. I got podded trying to get it back... lost 2bil in implants... great first day back in EVE

[thexpl0r3r]

Yeah... I just had to deal with that from the fall of "Winterfell" from Kasser Stellar Dynamics. I got podded trying to get it back... lost 2bil in implants... great first day back in EVE

Sheesh... T5ZI is like a hornets nest... btw, Claw is not immune to bubbles anymore... Interdiction nullification was removed from all combat ceptors.

[Lars2510]

Bear in mind that not only do you need to get them out and ship them, but taking stuff from asset safety means you pay 10 percent of its isk value for the privilege. Not too bad for small stuff, but bulk loads of minerals, capital ships and expensive fits will quickly result in billions of isk to get stuff back. Given that you lived in delve, it's a safe bet that it's all going to be pricey.

Also, if you are no longer a member of an Imperium alliance corp, delve is a very dangerous place to be, so be careful. However, if you are affiliated with Imperium/goonswarm then things will be a lot easier. Particularly as a lot of couriers like red frog and pushx are prepared to go to their main staging points.

[Kerry Malone]

Fortunately, what I have out in Delve is easily replaced. A T2 Executioner and a T1 Hurricane. Both far easier to buy back in Jita than to go back to Delve for.

Another thing to also add, which I discovered myself, is you may not even be able to dock at the station your stuff is in to begin with! The structures are privately owned and if you're not on the 'guest list' you just hover outside.

Fortunately, I never got around to getting a capital whilst doing our stuff for KSD, so I've not lost out massively. Most of my kit was still safely stored at our previous haunt in Bawilan, plus my freighter/Orca are safe too. So it could've been far worse.

Gonna go back to high-sec and set up my industrial concern again.

[thexpl0r3r]

Pretty big changes are coming to industry. New materials are being introduced and blueprints will be updated soon. Also planetary interaction will apparently become nice source of income as PI products will be required to build bigger toys. This guy made a nice summary of upcoming changes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZRcyuSImw

There was also a big citadel mechanics change. If a citadel runs out of fuel it will go to low power state first and if it's not refueled in 7 days it will go to abandoned state which will remove asset safety service and it will basically become a loot pinata.

When it comes to mining, diamond rats are now occasionally dropping by to asteroid belts and can even kill an Orca. They're much more buffed and deadly than normal rats, but I never saw them in the ice belts. Another annoying rats are Triglavians. They invaded New Eden and now have their own set of systems called Pochven which can be reached only through wormholes.However, when these wormholes spawn Triglavians will sometimes show up in those hisec systems and kill anything they find on stargates or in asteroid belts. Some of these rats don't show on the overview by default.

Code is still active but not as much as before. James 315 retired but new villains are in town and they will gank anything from an Orca to a ratting battleship.

There were lots of changes in the past couple of years, but these few are kinda significant ones...

[Kerry Malone]

Sounds virtually unplayable if you enjoy the easy route of high-sec living with low-risk. :/

I was hoping to settle back in with some high-sec mining and just make small amounts of money until I can get some BPOs to produce items.

From what you're saying, I need three accounts at the same time - one mining, one Orca, one in a high-level defence ship!

[Three of Seven]

When it comes to mining, diamond rats are now occasionally dropping by to asteroid belts and can even kill an Orca. They're much more buffed and deadly than normal rats, but I never saw them in the ice belts. Another annoying rats are Triglavians. They invaded New Eden and now have their own set of systems called Pochven which can be reached only through wormholes.However, when these wormholes spawn Triglavians will sometimes show up in those hisec systems and kill anything they find on stargates or in asteroid belts. Some of these rats don't show on the overview by default.

[thexpl0r3r]

Knowing mechanics behind these 'rats on steroids' should be sufficient to avoid getting killed.

I believe that diamond rats mechanics is related to 'Forward Operating Base' spawn which can happen in any system. New Agency tool is helpful to find out if there is one in current hisec system, just look for Pirate Stronghold and if it says unavailable there isn't one. However, I gotta say that there could be another mechanics that I'm not aware of... CCP was looking to make hisec mining more challenging. Reddit, Youtube or Eveuni wiki should have more information.

Triglavian wormhole mechanics is described here. I'm not too familiar with it, I just felt a great disturbance in the force when they spawned for the first time in Perimeter after the invasion was over, and ganked bunch of freighters going to\from Jita... millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror... I use a scout that goes one jump ahead and then webs my freighter to warp when it catches up.

The new Code seems to be a pain in the ass and they use neutral cloaky alts for scouting and warpins. An alt committing a criminal act and getting concorded where you mine could be a solution. If Concord gets pulled away, dock up...

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I think CCP wanted to make isk generation in hisec more challenging. In-game activities were producing too much isk, and there were armies of hisec afk miners.

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Just to add that i don't think it's virtually unplayable as a low risk gameplay. I'm not under impression that big number of ships are getting ganked on daily basis. Although the numbers are up and overall risk is higher than before, I'd say it's still doable with some basic due dilligence.

[Kerry Malone]

Pretty bad time to run a freighter around eh?

I guess until CCP decide that the 'scarcity' period ends, its safer to limit your activities somewhat.

Its a well known fact that EVE's online economy is one of the most complex systems outside of the worlds financial banking systems and that they have full-time economists working at CCP to montior it. My guess is that they felt it needed a huge kick.

Either way, I will be keeping my freighters berthed for the forseeable. Its not worth the risk going into Jita in one.

[WelshAvenger]

Either way, I will be keeping my freighters berthed for the forseeable. Its not worth the risk going into Jita in one.

I only ever went to Jita once in my Obelisk. *shudder* Never again. I only ever went there in an Iteron Mk V that was rigged for fast warp entry after that.

[thexpl0r3r]

Scarcity will go away soon, but tbh I don't think Triglavians or diamond rats are going away. As a part of the of the economy rebalancing CCP is also looking at risk vs reward balance and generally looking to eliminate low risk \ high reward activities. I'd say that flying ships that can potentially bring high income will involve higher investment and risk than before for the foreseeable future, but it won't be at the rate that would result in pitchforks and torches and massive unsubs. Situational awareness like checking the route on Zkil , using hauling channels and travel scouts, properly set overview, scouting system before mining and keeping an eye on dscan and Agency will keep the risk at bay.

[Kerry Malone]

Scarcity will go away soon, but tbh I don't think Triglavians or diamond rats are going away. As a part of the of the economy rebalancing CCP is also looking at risk vs reward balance and generally looking to eliminate low risk \ high reward activities. I'd say that flying ships that can potentially bring high income will involve higher investment and risk than before for the foreseeable future, but it won't be at the rate that would result in pitchforks and torches and massive unsubs. Situational awareness like checking the route on Zkil , using hauling channels and travel scouts, properly set overview, scouting system before mining and keeping an eye on dscan and Agency will keep the risk at bay.

Its not exactly like mining in High-Sec was ever really 'high reward' unless you did it to scale (20+ miners in exhumers, Orca, Hauling Fleet). Doing it as a one or two man-band was never going to make you a billionaire. At best, ripping a roid belt would net you a 40mil ISK takehome after reprocessing. Even low-scale industrial operations were never going to make you mega-rich.

All these changes are aimed at people who do this to scale in a huge way - the mega-corps - and they can afford to loose the odd Skiff or Orca to rats/Trigs/Ganks because they were operating in the hundreds of millions of ISK range. But they hurt the little start-up guys at the bottom. Its real-world-politik. Small businesses suffer from policy enacted to reign in the big-boys who abuse it.

I'd hardly call me and my alt a "Mega-Corp". I sit in a barge and rip roids whilst my alt sits in an Orca and buffs me. By the time I get bored, I may have made what... 20mil? But the rebalance is going to keep me out of mining because I can't afford to replace my ships constantly. Replacing the Orca is an absolute no-no, and its a primary target and goes to warp - even if aligned to a SB - in geological time.

[thexpl0r3r]

Yeah, you are absolutely right... big-boys were mining with large locust Orca\Skiff\Frieghter fleets in corps that are not wardeccable, practically in complete safety. Many of those fleets were bots too. Little guy always pays the price.

[Kerry Malone]

Mentioned User timverbesselt if you ever need someone to run around with - assuming you can do GMT times - happy to help out.

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