[Rellimie]

Enterprise, Exeter, Excalibur, Lexington, Yorktown, Potemkin, Republic, Hood, Constitution, Kongo, Constellation, Farragut, Valiant, and Intrepid. No room there for Discovery-A unless they're saying that Discovery is a replacement for one of the Connies that were destroyed/lost but I didn't think that happened until much later.

Where did you get your list? You left off the Defiant.

The only constitution class ships that are canon from my understanding are the

Enterprise
Exeter
Excalibur
Lexington
Potemkin
Hood
Constellation
Intrepid
Defiant

As these are the only ones we have seen on screen in TOS.

We assume there was a ship called the Constitution.

I don't believe the Yorktown, Republic, Kongo, Farragut, or Valiant were every confirmed to be constitution (I could be wrong so a source would be great.)

Also, in ST6 the Ahwahnee, Eagle, Emden, Endeavor, and Korolev were on the Operation Retrieve chart as constitution classes.

[Shadowmeph]

I did get a chuckle out of the hang nail and I liked the pike thing they showed ( don't want to put spoilers to me it was obvious e that was going to happen) but it still gets me how Pike seems to be the Yes mam guy in the last two eps at least he is the captain and I get how he can take suggestions but in a command situation the captain would never just fully agree they would acknowledge then maybe agree not just nod there head like a subordinate . the small quick bits between Brother and sister even though again trying to put in some humor that is obviously and kind of again a filler but to me was a little funny and Liked it
the whiny Burnham t hing I was about top say Come on not again but she stopped right away and got a grip but again like i posted earlier it was obvious what was going on and for her and Spock top miss that was really bad writing
and as for those stones I mean really if this was a more canon based story then I would think that those monks wouldn't be around any more because the empire would have sent a few ships and troupes there so that they could take control. sure they might have been able to hide the place for a little while but they make it sound like they were there for years maybe even centuries and that long with out any other Klingon's that are power hungry not finding out is very unlikely
then the other thing they lead people all over the place in the story line like they are trying to fill it in.
I mean allot of the ways the story line is traveling ( I doubt) will have anything to do with this season or probably the next 2-3 seasons ( if Discovery lasts that long) so why put them in there unless they are just being lazy and filling in the weak spots of the main story.
last but not the least I really doubt that the ship is going to get destroyed something is obviously going to happen at the last second to stop it . I hope that I am wrong not that I want the ship to be destroyed I actually really like that ship it is I just hate this type of fairly predictable story writing if it does it will probably be the last scene of the season

[WelshAvenger]

Where did you get your list?

I just googled "What were the names of the first 12 constitution class ships?" and clicked on the first link, so probably my fault for not checking it properly.

IIRC there was an episode of Star Trek Continues where they had a list on a wall detailing the ship names and status but I don't remember which episode it was, one of the Erin Grey admiral scenes.

It looks like they're going to scuttle the ship but I'll place money down that in a 'shock twist' they actually don't do it because...reasons. It would make much more sense if they destroyed the ship, it'd get the mushroom drive out of the equation for good with no repercussions and have ships solely rely on warp drive.

[Rellimie]

I just googled "What were the names of the first 12 constitution class ships?" and clicked on the first link, so probably my fault for not checking it properly.

IIRC there was an episode of Star Trek Continues where they had a list on a wall detailing the ship names and status but I don't remember which episode it was, one of the Erin Grey admiral scenes.

It looks like they're going to scuttle the ship but I'll place money down that in a 'shock twist' they actually don't do it because...reasons. It would make much more sense if they destroyed the ship, it'd get the mushroom drive out of the equation for good with no repercussions and have ships solely rely on warp drive.

Star Trek Continues is not canon.

Well we know in order for Calypso to happen it can't be destroyed.

It's not unheard of to destroy teh hero ship before a series ends. DS9 did it during season 7 and I'm not sure how many people remember a show called seasQuest DSV but they destroyed the hero boat at the end of season 1 and replaced it for season 2.

[WelshAvenger]

I realise that ST:Continues isn't canon but Vic and the team put a metric tonne of love into that series and he'd never hear the end of it at conventions if he got something like the list of ships wrong.

Ultimately, as someone else mentioned, canon is what the TV execs say it is so they could have a connie called Discovery waiting in the spacedock.

[Saelanna]

The monks on Boreth are the Klingon Empire's version of the History Monks from Discworld!

I enjoyed this episode and, while Discovery still isn't my favourite, I still maintain that any new Star Trek is better than no new Star Trek.

[Scarlett]

Destroying Discovery will fix a lot, I suppose.

[casualsto]

It was a pretty well written episode. It had heart, it had teeth, it had story.

Surprisingly, there was no crappy inclusive bull-turd into the episode. The story went smooth and the Klingon monks were a refreshing alternative to what we usually see as klingorcs.

I'm somewhat enthusiast to see the discovery pulling it out of the hat this time, without a deus-ex-machina or plot device.

And... Spoiler alert - the white guy dies! Because diversity.

[Strathkin]

Well 'Casualsto' I too thought it was pretty well written episode, it certainly had heart, it had teeth, and it certainly had story.
╘ I did not understand why you started 2nd paragraph as you did; but got back on track quickly with the second sentence.

I also liked the story was smooth, and yes the Klingon Monks were refreshing, alternative to the exaggerated Klingon Warrior--or klingorc's as you call them.

As for your other comment I guess we'll have to wait and see. The only thing I shared earlier was, "Next weeks episode is going to be quiet well -- unusual -- yet think it's leading to a decisive moment, perhaps subtle, yet delicately complex and understated" so I surely can't wait as well.

Yet I wasn't talking about the Vision shared by the Crystal to Pike, I think however that is what you were in fact referring to
however. Still I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.

- - - UPDATE - - -
╘ denotes update above - I mean you have some very good points, just try to focus more on those.

[Mack]

Spoiler alert - the white guy dies! Because diversity.

I'm quite open about alot of things that I don't like about Discovery and do share the seentiment that science driven plots aren't their best when compared to other Treks.

But one thing they've done is given the character of Pike full justice to that of the TOS. The vision from time crystal isn't made up - that's what happens to Pike in TOS. At least so far anyway. So nothing was done here to prove a point or 'agenda'. (Ofcourse the thing I'd contest here is this injury resulting due to some Control AI now, they're changing that and the story behind it for sure - I don't like them playing with that, but yea.)

In this case I would say, Trek yourself before you wreck yourself:

[casualsto]

Thanks on the reference. I'm ignorant when it comes to TOS (haven't seen them, I'm unable to get specific references or appreciate that trek in any way shape or form).

This would be just a coincidence then. We all know coincidences happen.

Given the actual state of affairs, I'll refrain from underlining and political subplots from DSC and focus on the narrative part only (which is gonna be a slaughterfest in terms of mistakes being made and cheap device plots.)

We could be getting alternate timelines and we might get a living Pike - so that he gets killed slightly later. Just to flip the script twice and confuse the audience. Common tactic when you need to prolong a script until you get more roadmap content and/or budget.

[Rellimie]

Thanks on the reference. I'm ignorant when it comes to TOS (haven't seen them, I'm unable to get specific references or appreciate that trek in any way shape or form).

This would be just a coincidence then. We all know coincidences happen.

Given the actual state of affairs, I'll refrain from underlining and political subplots from DSC and focus on the narrative part only (which is gonna be a slaughterfest in terms of mistakes being made and cheap device plots.)

We could be getting alternate timelines and we might get a living Pike - so that he gets killed slightly later. Just to flip the script twice and confuse the audience. Common tactic when you need to prolong a script until you get more roadmap content and/or budget.

Pike was never killed in TOS. His accident disables him. Which doesn’t happen for many years after Discovery season 2.

[Sul-Matuul]

Good episode, lots of nice details that are forming a pretty awesome story.

1) We know when Pike ends up in that "accident", there was a different uniform in the "flash-forward" and it actually happens in 2266 on board a training vessel. He rescues some cadets on a training vessel and ends up irradiated.
I think that vision was merely the creators adding in a little easter egg to link DSC with known TOS canon, and it also helped build up Pike's character a bit more as well. He's the model Startfleet captain Admiral Cornwell praised earlier in the season.

2) The Monks on Borleth were pretty cool, some nice mysticism there and a breath of fresh air from the usual nonsense about honour that Klingons usually waffle on about. I'm guessing also that the Albino Klingon from the DS9 episode isn't the same white Klingon who we thought after all (Voq & L'rell's son), though there could be other twists there I guess.

3) I'm liking the way Control seems to be hinting at some sort of pseudo-Borg thingy, not sure how that will play out but it's a million times more interesting that the crap Voyager pulled with the Borg; Control is actually a real threat.

4) Blowing up the ship is always a last resort but just because they never tried it yet is not to the detriment of the plot tbh. It would be idiotic to blow the ship up unless you had really run out of ideas. Hell I'd try ripping the computer core out before blowing the ship up! Either DSC survives (based on Calypso) or it get rebuilt as "A" which i think is unlikely.

5) Never seen any issue with the name of the series. Not all the shows have been names after the ship they were based around. And it's more of a hint at Discovery of one's being, the nature of existence and the universe, and exploration in general than just a name-drop of the ship.

[Three of Seven]

I find this to be one of the rare episodes that I thought was good. The scenes with Pike and the time crystals, very good, and very well produced. His vision of the future add the story older fans know will happen, but some who came into Discovery might not know, so it has gone some way to bridge the gap there. It has shown that Pike is a strong, and dedicated officer, shown a vision of a future where he is set to lose so much, and he takes the choice. We knew he would take the choice, his future is written in canon, but the execution of this with the acting, was very good.

There were still problems with this episode, but it was far less Burnham heavy, and she did atleast have some level of actual challenge to face in this episode, where Spock came out on top. I don't like that everything is happening because of her, it's silly, I also don't like how she had the solution to lock control out of the computer, it shows again that she has all the answers. She is just Wesley Crusher with more screentime, that's a statement I won't drop unless they change her character.

The scene in the mess hall, I get was to add some backstory, and a bit of drama, but I found it to be quite cringy, and the acting somewhat stale at points for that scene. The part in the medical bay between Culber and Reno was not a bad scene, I think that was executed pretty well, it resolved some drama, although not needed, it did work.

I was glad to see a lot less shaky cam in this episode as well.

[Shadowmeph]

Good episode, lots of nice details that are forming a pretty awesome story.

1) We know when Pike ends up in that "accident", there was a different uniform in the "flash-forward" and it actually happens in 2266 on board a training vessel. He rescues some cadets on a training vessel and ends up irradiated.
I think that vision was merely the creators adding in a little easter egg to link DSC with known TOS canon, and it also helped build up Pike's character a bit more as well. He's the model Startfleet captain Admiral Cornwell praised earlier in the season.

2) The Monks on Borleth were pretty cool, some nice mysticism there and a breath of fresh air from the usual nonsense about honour that Klingons usually waffle on about. I'm guessing also that the Albino Klingon from the DS9 episode isn't the same white Klingon who we thought after all (Voq & L'rell's son), though there could be other twists there I guess.

3) I'm liking the way Control seems to be hinting at some sort of pseudo-Borg thingy, not sure how that will play out but it's a million times more interesting that the crap Voyager pulled with the Borg; Control is actually a real threat.

4) Blowing up the ship is always a last resort but just because they never tried it yet is not to the detriment of the plot tbh. It would be idiotic to blow the ship up unless you had really run out of ideas. Hell I'd try ripping the computer core out before blowing the ship up! Either DSC survives (based on Calypso) or it get rebuilt as "A" which i think is unlikely.

5) Never seen any issue with the name of the series. Not all the shows have been names after the ship they were based around. And it's more of a hint at Discovery of one's being, the nature of existence and the universe, and exploration in general than just a name-drop of the ship.

you actually made a couple of good points I mean Liked the star trek enterprise series
as for pike I also agree I didnt know how pike actually was injured. I do remember that spock grabs him and stalls for time while taking some where else so tha the can live his life
this control thing I am not thinking borg myself just for the reason that the borq have to walk up and be in contact with things in order to control t hem I haven't seen that in discovery I seen the extra large nanites moving around unless of course it has come from very far future.
I am thinking more like Vger from the first Star trek movie then anything because Vger became conscious and also was able to make what looked like human life forms