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Posted Sun 17 Oct, 2021 8:54 PM
Hi all, I've got a big chunk of Lobi from the event chain, and I was wondering about spending some of it on a ship. as a temporal recruit science captain that likes hangar pets I was thinking either the Paradox Temporal Dreadnought or the Kelvin Timeline Vengeance (less science, but with temporal seating and, well, it just looks cool). Any strong opinions, one way or another?
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If you have the EC, buy the ships from the Exchange. Use the lobi for items that are not tradable. Consoles, weapons, etc.
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As Miles noted, Lobi ships are usually on the Exchange for 200-400 million EC, so usually it is better to go for the stuff that is account/character bound on pickup. Another thing to keep in mind is that both ships have been in Mudd's bundles, and with the holiday season approaching there is a good chance that Cryptic will roll those bundles back out on sale. If you are willing to part with some cash, you can unlock either ship for your entire account, not just the single character unlock from buying off the Lobi store or Exchange.
That said, the Vengeance is a really solid choice. It is one of the most popular ships around from the Lobi store, and despite being about 5 years old now you still see it pretty regularly in TFOs and social zones. It makes for a solid DEW platform with its 5/3 weapon layout or could be used for tanking.
I've not flown the Paradox personally, but they are not nearly as common to see outside of shortly after sales. It is more of a "jack of all trades, master of none" build platform. The consoles and seating are heavily science-biased but the ship doesn't have a secondary deflector slot to make it stellar as an exotic build. It has beefy hull and shield stats, but has subsystem targeting instead of cruiser commands so it will lack the "Attract Fire" threat boost if used for a tank build. It has a lieutenant command seat, so it could be used as a torp boat, but it lacks the LtC command slot that is considered ideal for torp builds. Finally, it has 4/3 weapon slots, so it could be used for DEW builds, but there is no experimental weapon slot so you're going to be short a weapon compared to a lot of other ships out there. Thus, you really are going to have to mix and match tactics in a hybrid build because it is less than optimal for any given "pure" build focus.
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I would say the vengeance is for tactical dps characters and it's not meant for science builds. The vengeance's carrier pets I've heard literally nothing about when I search for "best carrier pets" so they're probably no good. The paradox on the other hand is known for having some of the best carrier pets in the game according to reddit forums I've read, though I don't know how good the ship itself is.
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I would say the vengeance is for tactical dps characters and it's not meant for science builds. The vengeance's carrier pets I've heard literally nothing about when I search for "best carrier pets" so they're probably no good. The paradox on the other hand is known for having some of the best carrier pets in the game according to reddit forums I've read, though I don't know how good the ship itself is.
The Vengeance's Kelvin Timeline Assault Drone pets are pretty solid too. They don't make it on to those carrier pet lists because they are only able to be used on the Vengeance itself, whereas the Aeon Timeships unlocked from the Paradox can be used on any ship. Since the Vengeance only has one hangar, they generally aren't used for those mass "what's the best pet" posts out on Reddit and whatnot, but the assault drones are probably one of the best picks for the Vengeance itself.
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I agree with Miles here best saving for gear the Vengeance is normally cheap on the exchange its pets are alright the paradox pets as stated are better though if you can live with the none space Barbie side of things the Nausican Stingers are better again but require iirc the Kolasi or fleet version unlock for access to them also. Though on the Vengeance build i have on one my toons i use the Kelvin Timeline Drones as stated they do the job and come with the ship.
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Posted Mon 18 Oct, 2021 4:41 PM
Cheers all, some good advice there, I think. I'll keep an eye out for a Vengeance; may not be the most science-y, but it does look good...
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Posted Tue 19 Oct, 2021 3:45 AM
The consoles and seating are heavily science-biased but the ship doesn't have a secondary deflector slot to make it stellar as an exotic build.
The Paradox DOES have a secondary deflector slot as it is a science dreadnought. Its mainly science carriers with 2 hangars that don't have the secondary deflector. Even so, the Paradox is far from an ideal sci ship since it has zero temporal seating even though thematically it is a temporal ship.
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Posted Tue 19 Oct, 2021 4:53 AM
The Paradox DOES have a secondary deflector slot as it is a science dreadnought. Its mainly science carriers with 2 hangars that don't have the secondary deflector. Even so, the Paradox is far from an ideal sci ship since it has zero temporal seating even though thematically it is a temporal ship.
I stand corrected. I looked up the stat block on the STO Wiki and it omits the "Type-specific slot" callout for a secondary deflector that is usually there. Looking at the starting equipment on the page and the original blog post, it does indeed mention a secondary deflector. That certainly helps sell it as a sci boat, but there are definitely better ones to pick up though.
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If you have the 1500 lobi from the event, i would suggest waiting for novembers inevitable Black friday sale, last few times the sale on lobi has been crazy, i think last year it was 50% off? thats the time to spend it
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Posted Sun 24 Oct, 2021 9:10 PM
Definitely handy to know. That's the tail-end of November, isn't it?
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Posted Tue 26 Oct, 2021 9:29 PM
Definitely handy to know. That's the tail-end of November, isn't it?
Black Friday is usually the day after the Thanksgiving holiday in the US. This year Thanksgiving falls on 25 November, so the sale will probably be sometime that week. It is fairly common for a lot of companies to give employees both Thursday and Friday off for the holiday, so Cryptic may start an inevitable sale before or after Black Friday itself to avoid having devs grumble if anything goes wrong with the sale offers going live as intended.