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Posted Mon 21 May, 2018 3:42 PM
So I recently joined another STO based Face Book Group. This one is a place to post players for 'blacklisting'...players who steal from other players and fleets, and those who just like to cause trouble in the game and/or chat bar.
After talking with the groups administrator, I was made one as well and created a google document to list these players, so one doesn't have to scroll through all of the posts. Only the Admins can add names to the lists and only after we investigate, with the help of screenshots, an accusation.
Please visit the group on Face Book and check it out for your self. My hope is that it becomes a widely used tool by all.
STO Universal Player Blacklist
https://www.facebook.com/groups/122108658502126/
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Posted Wed 23 May, 2018 3:58 PM
Dang ...
That's actually kinda a good idea. Now you would just have to be careful with who gets admin for that and set up some kind of appeal process.
Still ... Good Idea!
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Posted Sat 26 May, 2018 2:53 PM
It is something that will have to be monitored very closely. Screen shot evidence is a must for accusing a player of something...simply cannot go on hearsay alone. If things ever did end up going sideways with it, I would simply shut the doc. down. I want it to be a tool, not a weapon.
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Posted Sat 26 May, 2018 3:03 PM
I know for the longest time screening members consisted of the official forums and hardly anyone uses them as much anymore. I like this idea of a community organized board it’s a nice move towards protecting the community and a great preventative measurement if people know about it.
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Posted Sat 26 May, 2018 3:11 PM
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Last edited by Bridger; Sat 26 May, 2018 3:14 PM.
I am not a friend of this nor am I sure if the UFP should get involved but this is for someone else to decide and it might be also illegal.
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Posted Sat 26 May, 2018 3:31 PM
I had a conversation with ambassadorkael a week ago. This was the conversation. https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/s...essages/142109
I made sure before anything was started that no one would get into trouble with STO otherwise I would have never done it to begin with. I also made sure that the fleet was in no way connected with it. This is something that only the group on facebook are vested in. I've tried very hard to ensure that all of the I's are dotted and the t's are crossed.
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I also want to make it clear that this is something anyone or any fleet can utilize. I'm not suggesting that only UFP uses it, it's for everyone in the game.
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Posted Sat 26 May, 2018 3:36 PM
Ambassadorkael is however no lawyer.
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Posted Sat 26 May, 2018 3:55 PM
This is true. But as an admin with ARC, I trust that he would know and readily advise on what can and cannot be done as far as something like this would be concerned.
I didn't mean to create any sort of issue with the posting my link and will willingly remove it to alleviate any controversy. it was never my intention to begin with.
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Posted Sat 26 May, 2018 5:26 PM
I just joined that page. I'm concerned that people are submitting names without valid proof of wrong doings. For example...there was a handle submitted for blacklist @anjinsan. I know the history of the issue since I was admin in @anjinsan's cross armada...7th Order. His name should not be submitted for a blacklist. I guess if the list will be consulted...it should be consulted with caution.
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Posted Sat 26 May, 2018 5:26 PM
I’m not sure how this could possibly be illegal. The list does not prevent fleets from admitting members. It is a simple list of people whom have burned bridges in old fleets. It’s not defaming the person only a warning that the character has a history or causing trouble. If created responsibly it should only serve as a warning to fleets bringing in members. To my knowledge UFP does not use the service nor are they participating in its construction. However, if several fleets feel the need I think it’s a good idea.
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Posted Sun 27 May, 2018 4:35 AM
I just joined that page. I'm concerned that people are submitting names without valid proof of wrong doings. For example...there was a handle submitted for blacklist @anjinsan. I know the history of the issue since I was admin in @anjinsan's cross armada...7th Order. His name should not be submitted for a blacklist. I guess if the list will be consulted...it should be consulted with caution.
I just looked into the @handle you mentioned in your post. While that name is mentioned in someone's post in the group, their @handle was not put into
the actual Doc. That one and the other 2 mentioned had no supporting evidence so I did not feel comfortable placing their names on the 'list'.
Unfortunately, there's nothing that could be done about the person making the accusation...cannot infringe on their right to call someone out. That plus the post was made months before I even joined the group.
It is my intention to talk with the other admins about "cleaning up" some, if not most of the older posts...have to wait to see what happens with that.
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Posted Sun 27 May, 2018 7:03 AM
I just looked into the @handle you mentioned in your post. While that name is mentioned in someone's post in the group, their @handle was not put into
the actual Doc. That one and the other 2 mentioned had no supporting evidence so I did not feel comfortable placing their names on the 'list'.
Unfortunately, there's nothing that could be done about the person making the accusation...cannot infringe on their right to call someone out. That plus the post was made months before I even joined the group.
It is my intention to talk with the other admins about "cleaning up" some, if not most of the older posts...have to wait to see what happens with that.
Thank so much. Your response has made it clear that careful steps will be made to ensure that players who have been named will be properly "investigated" (not sure of a better word to use here).
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Last edited by lexxie1983; Sun 27 May, 2018 7:43 AM.
We had such a black list for the simulation channel (when i was admin , left after the provisions ec nerf) to get bad apples (trolls,Afkers,spammers the like) away from sims. we decided at the time to not make it public for naming and shaming reasons, and the legality of such doc.
we documented everything chat logs, screenshots the works so be damd sure to do the same C.Y.A actions.
Ow and we got massive backlash because of that damd list!!!!!!!!! peeps where not fond of it ones the word got out (leaked by ex operator) we where keeping such a list in the first place. channel was made black by cirtain folks that where on that list. we admins and channel operators got targetted hell the blacklist folks started there own 3 sims channels and started poachin in ours (i wont name those channels, think a bit and you know)
If kael does not sees a problem with it fine, but he is a CM (front face guy) not a GM and they are the ones that issues bans etc i think.
just my 2 cents on the matter
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Posted Sun 27 May, 2018 10:49 AM
We had such a black list for the simulation channel (when i was admin , left after the provisions ec nerf) to get bad apples (trolls,Afkers,spammers the like) away from sims. we decided at the time to not make it public for naming and shaming reasons, and the legality of such doc.
we documented everything chat logs, screenshots the works so be damd sure to do the same C.Y.A actions.
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If kael does not sees a problem with it fine, but he is a CM (front face guy) not a GM and they are the ones that issues bans etc i think.
just my 2 cents on the matter
I do appreciate the input, thank you. I always wondered how and why the other channels came about, had no idea why, and I am doing the CYA thing for sure.